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To think the National Trust should not let Park Run volunteers marshal the cars at a NT property

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ParkRunIdiots · 23/09/2023 18:50

So rocked up a very large NT property with lots of parkland at about 9:25 today.

had gone through the payment control bit, then you drive for about another mile (no joke) to the car park. Just before the car park all traffic stopped in a traffic jam caused by two Park Run people in pink vests who would not let any cars through.

So I sat there and say there and sat there, not a single car moved through. I could see the runners approaching from the right, at times there were gaps in the runners but still no car was allowed through. After ten minutes still no car had been allowed to pass. Several cars behind me did a 20 point turn and left.

Then I realised that the runners weren’t even crossing the road as I’d originally assumed, they turned right and ran alongside the road edge, which has a massive Green verge they could run on . So in my mind no need to stop any car. Or if some risk assessment has deemed it too dangerous to have the cars beside the runners then it means there’s no access to the car park for about 45 mins, in which case the NT property needs to open later!

the runners were all strung out, no big wide bunch/crowd, so single file or in pairs.

anyway I honked at this point. One pink vest guy had obviously been waiting for this moment and charged up, ran past me and bollocked the car behind me who was mid 20 point turn and leaving. That driver grassed me up so the park run guy came and condescendingly told me “when there’s a gap” we will let a car through. I said it was ridiculous, that there had been plenty of gaps, nobody had been allowed through and the runners weren’t even on the road!

At which point he told me if I didn’t like it I could leave!

then the other marshal let some of us through, even though there were still runners running alongside the verge the same as there had been for the last ten minutes! I think they were letting cars through in groups of 5 or 6 as some had gone through just before I got stopped. Again when there were runners there! So nothing to do with gaps!

diagram for an idea.

I do feel like emailing the NT and telling them they need to have an NT person there overseeing it, and preventing the Parkrun people been rude to other users.

I may be slightly anti park run after my (on lead, walking to heel) dog was trampled on and tripped over by several park runners on the inaugural run of my local new park run on a narrow public bridleway and they shouted at me for been there with a dog (even though I’d stepped into the mud at the side). Still not forgiven them for that.

To think the National Trust should not let Park Run volunteers marshal the cars at a NT property
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Thementalloadisreal · 25/09/2023 21:23

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To think the National Trust should not let Park Run volunteers marshal the cars at a NT property
Thementalloadisreal · 25/09/2023 21:19

Since you like a diagram

To think the National Trust should not let Park Run volunteers marshal the cars at a NT property
Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 25/09/2023 21:17

CakesOnAPlane · 25/09/2023 19:03

I didn't realise that Parkrun provided sponsorship and merchandise opportunities. It makes sense of the 'I'm a Very Big Cheese' vibe of the now withdrawn post.

The now withdrawn post was from the volunteer Run Director of the parkrun in question. Nobody gets paid for being a Run or Event Director. They give up a lot of time to organise these events and co-ordinate the volunteers. I'm not an RD or ED but I know some of ours. I don't have the impression that they get much training from parkrun. It's very much a case of working it out as they go along.

Thementalloadisreal · 25/09/2023 21:16

ParkRunIdiots · 25/09/2023 20:34

don’t believe that at all - parkrun always states that runners don’t have sole use of the area and must be courteous to other users. They don’t block areas for other pedestrians or walkers in a public space.

no of course they never block areas for other walkers 🧐

Oh no, you might have to wait a minute or walk on some grass! How terrifying. Quick get in your car and run them all down. You’ve paid £70 annually for the right to drive over runner’s toes after all.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 25/09/2023 21:13

CakesOnAPlane · 25/09/2023 19:30

The takeaway for me from this thread is that big business has its finger in the Parkrun pie. And that is reflected in the attitude of people who direct the events. And that no doubt trickles down to the marshalls.

What absolute nonsense. What parkrun pie?

ParkRunIdiots · 25/09/2023 21:08

DewinDwl · 25/09/2023 21:02

Those photos 😳

They are very obviously blocking the path and making it unusable for anyone else.

But not only that - how can they even run in that crowd? I know I wouldn't be able to without tripping up or bumping into other runners. The path is too narrow for the volume of people, so that any obstacle on the path however small can become a serious hazard. They either need a different "venue" or to limit the number of runners. It just doesn't look safe.

Exactly. Which was the situation I was in when people were tripping up over my dog. They’re all trying to jostle past each other and me, they don’t notice a small dog. Trip over the dog and then get snarky with me for being on a public footpath.

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DewinDwl · 25/09/2023 21:02

ParkRunIdiots · 25/09/2023 20:34

don’t believe that at all - parkrun always states that runners don’t have sole use of the area and must be courteous to other users. They don’t block areas for other pedestrians or walkers in a public space.

no of course they never block areas for other walkers 🧐

Those photos 😳

They are very obviously blocking the path and making it unusable for anyone else.

But not only that - how can they even run in that crowd? I know I wouldn't be able to without tripping up or bumping into other runners. The path is too narrow for the volume of people, so that any obstacle on the path however small can become a serious hazard. They either need a different "venue" or to limit the number of runners. It just doesn't look safe.

parkrunpal · 25/09/2023 20:42

CakesOnAPlane · 25/09/2023 19:30

The takeaway for me from this thread is that big business has its finger in the Parkrun pie. And that is reflected in the attitude of people who direct the events. And that no doubt trickles down to the marshalls.

Absolute bunkum! The event’s corporate sponsors support things like the results system that motivates people to come back week after week to try and improve their time or earn milestones. The events and their directors are all volunteers, every single
one (approx 30 at my event every week!) … big business isn’t even on our radar.

And it’s marshal with one L, they’re not fire dogs with little red helmets.

ParkRunIdiots · 25/09/2023 20:34

don’t believe that at all - parkrun always states that runners don’t have sole use of the area and must be courteous to other users. They don’t block areas for other pedestrians or walkers in a public space.

no of course they never block areas for other walkers 🧐

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To think the National Trust should not let Park Run volunteers marshal the cars at a NT property
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MaggieFS · 25/09/2023 19:53

It's perfectly possible to think Parkrun shouldn't have priority over, or be allowed to block, NT land which others have paid to access, without having to knock the entire Parkrun model.

I think it's a great idea and so good that it's still free for runners, enabled by sponsorship and volunteers. That said, one hears time time again how it disrupts other people going about their business with a gross sense of entitlement. Which was thoroughly corroborated by Mr No-manners @Manners23 VIP VBC race director.

LighthouseTheme · 25/09/2023 19:45

JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 25/09/2023 14:46

They are indeed very unwelcome. My DH was cycling there on a public right of way, he got chatting to a NT person on the site and mentioned that he was scoping out a route to do with our horse. They told him that we couldn't bring a horse on site without an annual pass. This is completely wrong, they can charge to access the estate but not to use the public bridleway, luckily I know this but what a way to discourage people from healthy outdoor activity.

I am not sure how acessible the actual park is for horses nowadays - and those at Clumber Livery probably stick to the periphery anyway.
I guess I was lucky back then - it was far less busy, we could go anywhere and my mother (as a NT employee and Clumber resident) got me the Annual Pass - which I think only would have cost us £50, and was very well worth it.
Fond memories.

MasterBeth · 25/09/2023 19:44

Thementalloadisreal · 25/09/2023 19:04

The OP wasn’t going to work.

Who is going to work in a field, gardens or park on a Saturday morning? Apart from Yogi bear.

This post is ridiculous and ill-informed.

Yogi Bear doesn't work at Jellystone Park, he lives there.

LighthouseTheme · 25/09/2023 19:39

LighthouseTheme · 25/09/2023 19:33

There is quite a large contingent of NT volunteers at Clumber Park - and their start time is sometimes 9:00am!

Probably, as there is no real way to avoid the main route to the shops etc. now. Which is why the PR should not be blocking it.

LighthouseTheme · 25/09/2023 19:37

VisionsOfSplendour · 25/09/2023 19:12

I went to Clumber Park once, not in a Saturday 😀, it's massive, it's not a city park it's a huge area

You're correct, it is very large. But in recent years, the park-anywhere approach as been under "attack" - even most of the verges are off limits - and "policed" by Security of NT staff (who will also persuade to you join).
The number of vehicles parked at the edges and on places closer to Carburton entrance is indicative of the changes, and the people who don't want to pay. This is an actual highway, so the charging starts at the roads that branch off it, of which there are only two now I think.

VisionsOfSplendour · 25/09/2023 19:35

LighthouseTheme · 25/09/2023 19:33

There is quite a large contingent of NT volunteers at Clumber Park - and their start time is sometimes 9:00am!

Well they'll be in trouble for being late if they ate held up whilst the run is actually in progress

LighthouseTheme · 25/09/2023 19:33

Thementalloadisreal · 25/09/2023 19:04

The OP wasn’t going to work.

Who is going to work in a field, gardens or park on a Saturday morning? Apart from Yogi bear.

There is quite a large contingent of NT volunteers at Clumber Park - and their start time is sometimes 9:00am!

CakesOnAPlane · 25/09/2023 19:30

The takeaway for me from this thread is that big business has its finger in the Parkrun pie. And that is reflected in the attitude of people who direct the events. And that no doubt trickles down to the marshalls.

HashtagStopBullies · 25/09/2023 19:23

Have you written to anyone officially?

ParkRunIdiots · 25/09/2023 19:20

VisionsOfSplendour · 25/09/2023 19:12

I went to Clumber Park once, not in a Saturday 😀, it's massive, it's not a city park it's a huge area

You’d think they’d be able to plan a route which didn’t put them into contact with the one route to the main carpark then.

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Alstroemeria123 · 25/09/2023 19:19

*Obstruct how? Runners are typically not stationary.

I don’t believe that at all - parkrun always states that runners don’t have sole use of the area and must be courteous to other users. They don’t block areas for other pedestrians or walkers in a public space. *

Paved footpath through a park, crossing another paved footpath around the outside. Parkrun started on the through path and went round the circular, 3ft wide, narrow path several times. You need to cross the path around the edge to get to the exit. The marshalls used to stand blocking you from crossing the circular path (due to fencing you couldn’t walk round).

ParkRunIdiots · 25/09/2023 19:18

Thementalloadisreal · 25/09/2023 19:07

Ok so now you know for next time.
The NT site doesn’t have it on their website at all?
Most people work weekdays and relax on Saturdays you’re not special. It’s baffling that you’re cross you had to wait to access a car park rather than drive your car through pedestrians crossing a road. During your leisure time.

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You could try reading my posts you know.

the runners were not crossing the road, they were running alongside it on a wide verge, as wide as a farm track.

I don’t think I’m special, unlike the park runners who obviously think they’re far more important than anyone else.

I don’t need to avoid it as someone on here has helpfully pointed out there is a different car park which I am allowed to access even if the NT have coned it off for some odd reason.

I never thought i should drive though anyone. But just that the marshals should have allowed cars through. Even if they thought there was a danger they could have stopped cars for a minute, then runners for a minute. You know, take turns, share. 🤷🏻‍♀️

i wouldn’t expect the runners to stop for the cars for ages. So why do they expect the same.

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Thementalloadisreal · 25/09/2023 19:15

Alstroemeria123 · 25/09/2023 19:10

Ah, so you think it’s fine for them to obstruct a pedestrian route as well. Not everyone works Monday to Friday.

The place I’m thinking of, the marshals wouldn’t let anyone through while the run was taking place. So no, pedestrians couldn’t just cross.

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Obstruct how? Runners are typically not stationary.

I don’t believe that at all - parkrun always states that runners don’t have sole use of the area and must be courteous to other users. They don’t block areas for other pedestrians or walkers in a public space.

Anyway it’s all irrelevant … The OP wasn’t going to work nor were they a pedestrian. They wanted to drive through an organised run. Try that during the London marathon see how well it goes. Plenty of people need to go to work that day too I’m sure but are able to make allowances for an organised event.

VisionsOfSplendour · 25/09/2023 19:15

Alstroemeria123 · 25/09/2023 19:10

Ah, so you think it’s fine for them to obstruct a pedestrian route as well. Not everyone works Monday to Friday.

The place I’m thinking of, the marshals wouldn’t let anyone through while the run was taking place. So no, pedestrians couldn’t just cross.

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I didn't know that parkrins went on normal pavements, I do agree with you that isn't acceptable if people are trying to walk along them

VisionsOfSplendour · 25/09/2023 19:12

TigerRag · 25/09/2023 19:08

Is the park really that small you can't park in another car park and enter through another entrance away from parkrunners?

I've never been to a parkrun (juniors and Saturdays) where the park is that small

I went to Clumber Park once, not in a Saturday 😀, it's massive, it's not a city park it's a huge area

Alstroemeria123 · 25/09/2023 19:10

Thementalloadisreal · 25/09/2023 19:08

I think the gardeners are well aware when parkrun is at the site they work in!🤣

Nothing wrong with using a pedestrian route, the pedestrians can safely cross. You just can’t drive your car into tens of joggers. Sorry 🤷🏻‍♀️

It’s one hour one morning a week. It’s free and it’s a safe, organised activity for adults and children to get some exercise.

Jeez

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Ah, so you think it’s fine for them to obstruct a pedestrian route as well. Not everyone works Monday to Friday.

The place I’m thinking of, the marshals wouldn’t let anyone through while the run was taking place. So no, pedestrians couldn’t just cross.

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