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To think the National Trust should not let Park Run volunteers marshal the cars at a NT property

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ParkRunIdiots · 23/09/2023 18:50

So rocked up a very large NT property with lots of parkland at about 9:25 today.

had gone through the payment control bit, then you drive for about another mile (no joke) to the car park. Just before the car park all traffic stopped in a traffic jam caused by two Park Run people in pink vests who would not let any cars through.

So I sat there and say there and sat there, not a single car moved through. I could see the runners approaching from the right, at times there were gaps in the runners but still no car was allowed through. After ten minutes still no car had been allowed to pass. Several cars behind me did a 20 point turn and left.

Then I realised that the runners weren’t even crossing the road as I’d originally assumed, they turned right and ran alongside the road edge, which has a massive Green verge they could run on . So in my mind no need to stop any car. Or if some risk assessment has deemed it too dangerous to have the cars beside the runners then it means there’s no access to the car park for about 45 mins, in which case the NT property needs to open later!

the runners were all strung out, no big wide bunch/crowd, so single file or in pairs.

anyway I honked at this point. One pink vest guy had obviously been waiting for this moment and charged up, ran past me and bollocked the car behind me who was mid 20 point turn and leaving. That driver grassed me up so the park run guy came and condescendingly told me “when there’s a gap” we will let a car through. I said it was ridiculous, that there had been plenty of gaps, nobody had been allowed through and the runners weren’t even on the road!

At which point he told me if I didn’t like it I could leave!

then the other marshal let some of us through, even though there were still runners running alongside the verge the same as there had been for the last ten minutes! I think they were letting cars through in groups of 5 or 6 as some had gone through just before I got stopped. Again when there were runners there! So nothing to do with gaps!

diagram for an idea.

I do feel like emailing the NT and telling them they need to have an NT person there overseeing it, and preventing the Parkrun people been rude to other users.

I may be slightly anti park run after my (on lead, walking to heel) dog was trampled on and tripped over by several park runners on the inaugural run of my local new park run on a narrow public bridleway and they shouted at me for been there with a dog (even though I’d stepped into the mud at the side). Still not forgiven them for that.

To think the National Trust should not let Park Run volunteers marshal the cars at a NT property
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Hurukan · 23/09/2023 20:11

Agree I had to complain to Marshalls at our local park. Small carpark reached via a single lane under road tunnel. At all other times drivers are polite and follow fair rules of allowing 2/3 cars through max before defering to drivers coming the opposite way but not on Saturday mornings nooooo the park run crowd in this location are cheeky entitled fuckers who take up all available parking, look at dog walkers like they are shit on their shoes and then proceed to leave in droves preventing anyone else entering for about 20 mins or more.

It's a public park ffs and as a NT member I would def be complaining if this started happening at their properties as well.

Park Run bastard's

ParkRunIdiots · 23/09/2023 20:11

theduchessofspork · 23/09/2023 19:48

Sure. Complain to both

You could have done it in the time it took to write that post 😁

It’s ok, I’ve just copied and posted 95% of my post in the email to them to save me typing anything else out. #worksmarter 👍😁

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AuntieStella · 23/09/2023 20:09

alldakatz · 23/09/2023 19:49

Why was the Park Run there anyway? Do they pay for the use of the land? If not, why are NT allowing it, to the detriment of their members and paying visitors?

No, parkrun does not pay.

They only hold events when the landowner agrees. The National Trust is a major supporter of parkrun - there are 26 parkruns on NT properties

ParkRunIdiots · 23/09/2023 20:09

And ironically when I was cycling up Limetree Ave ten/fifteen minutes later I had numerous close passes by cars leaving …..been driven by people in running gear (fluorescent jackets). I’m assuming these were Parkrunners.

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QueSyrahSyrah · 23/09/2023 20:08

alldakatz · 23/09/2023 19:49

Why was the Park Run there anyway? Do they pay for the use of the land? If not, why are NT allowing it, to the detriment of their members and paying visitors?

I expect NT have considered the pay off between how busy they usually are between 9 & 9.30am on a Saturday, the Parkrun related spend in their cafes at that time of day, and the people who may attend the free event and think 'ooh this is a lovely property we must come back'.

(Along with allowing beautiful spaces to be used for a free organised event designed to inclusively get people moving being a good thing, generally 🤷🏻‍♀️)

HamstersAreMyLife · 23/09/2023 20:06

ParkRunIdiots · 23/09/2023 20:03

I think I’m going back to parking between the trees on Limetree Ave. Fuck them.

Solidarity!

ParkRunIdiots · 23/09/2023 20:06

madamreign · 23/09/2023 19:51

Fair point about the lead- but I run and I see shit loads of them off leads or those stupid long leads. Tripped over the leads, accidentally kicked a dog that tried to bite my ankle etc

However, cars can wait for the safety and comfort of human beings running. In their comfortable cars.

Wanting to park, does not trump safety. Or do people thing they were doing this just to annoy car drivers? Some kind've mad, personal vendetta? Unlikely.

But there was no safety issue. The runners were not crossing the road, or on the road. When they did let cars down the road there were still runners on the verge. So them making cars wait ten minutes seemed arbitrary and pointless.

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SD1978 · 23/09/2023 20:06

@madamreign- but as someone who has paid to use the facilities, why should the OP have to? She's driven to a park, just as they have most likely for their run, and paid to use the facilities, unlike the participants- and the volunteers have decided they have a priority which they most likely don't.

ParkRunIdiots · 23/09/2023 20:05

alldakatz · 23/09/2023 19:49

Why was the Park Run there anyway? Do they pay for the use of the land? If not, why are NT allowing it, to the detriment of their members and paying visitors?

I doubt it. They won’t even pay normal entry fee at Clumber I don’t think if they’re there before 9am which they will be.

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Barleysugar86 · 23/09/2023 20:05

alldakatz · 23/09/2023 19:49

Why was the Park Run there anyway? Do they pay for the use of the land? If not, why are NT allowing it, to the detriment of their members and paying visitors?

Their slogan is literally 'for ever, for everyone'. It's important to the National Trust to support their communities and if its a weekly event I imagine it probably brings some regular trade to the site in refreshments, which is likely important on cold drizzly weather days.
Don't you find it kind of lovely when beautiful areas of our country are being used? My knees would never let me join in but it makes me happy to see this kind of thing going on personally.
But yes, sounds like its worth letting the site know there were issues with traffic management so they can keep an eye on it.

ParkRunIdiots · 23/09/2023 20:03

HamstersAreMyLife · 23/09/2023 20:02

Ha OP I guessed clumber when you described the parking situation. Tbh nothing surprises me. I won't go there now.

I think I’m going back to parking between the trees on Limetree Ave. Fuck them.

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ParkRunIdiots · 23/09/2023 20:02

Hellocatshome · 23/09/2023 19:51

I knew this would be Clumber Park which is plenty big enough to have their Park Run route somewhere that doesn't cause these problems.

This is what I can’t understand. There are miles and miles of tracks and paths nowhere near the carpark! They really need another route.

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TinglingTangling · 23/09/2023 20:02

madamreign · 23/09/2023 19:25

You were sat in your heated car, with a padded seat and a radio for company at least. Presumably you were not in a rush to get to work or anything.

YABU

And dogs should be on leads on foot paths.

So what…. It doesn’t mean they want to sit in it forever!

HamstersAreMyLife · 23/09/2023 20:02

Ha OP I guessed clumber when you described the parking situation. Tbh nothing surprises me. I won't go there now.

ParkRunIdiots · 23/09/2023 20:01

RoseAndRose · 23/09/2023 19:37

Presumably they think that the other carpark, which is completely outside the route, has sufficient capacity for that time of day?

What other carpark? I used to park on Limetree Ave all the time but last time got a note telling me I was killing the trees. I’m a member so happy to use the car park even though I actually don’t care about the visitor facilities (I’m going cycling or dog walking).

the car park arrangements have changed since I last used the car park, so there was a big grassy field main car park which is new. The old one is for accesible parking only. I never saw a sign for another one, is there one?

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Peekingovertheparapet · 23/09/2023 19:58

Our local parkrun is a bloody nuisance too. It takes over the whole of the local parkland and anyone unwittingly happening to use it gets yelled at by marshals.

Peekingovertheparapet · 23/09/2023 19:57

Definitely complain! (Some) park runners are a bloody menace.

I complained about an altercation at a parkrun in a shared space recently. The route shares an access track with a property in a woodland location. I had a legitimate and legal reason to use the access and I was shouted profanities at by a parkrun marshal (in front of my kids).

I complained to parkrun who tbf were great about it.

eurochick · 23/09/2023 19:53

Give some people a high vis vest and the power goes to their heads.

Saucery · 23/09/2023 19:53

Park Run was cancelled from my local park/nature reserve because of problems like this - particularly the attitude of the runners and marshals towards other park users. I’d complain to the NT as suggested.

Hellocatshome · 23/09/2023 19:51

I knew this would be Clumber Park which is plenty big enough to have their Park Run route somewhere that doesn't cause these problems.

madamreign · 23/09/2023 19:51

Fair point about the lead- but I run and I see shit loads of them off leads or those stupid long leads. Tripped over the leads, accidentally kicked a dog that tried to bite my ankle etc

However, cars can wait for the safety and comfort of human beings running. In their comfortable cars.

Wanting to park, does not trump safety. Or do people thing they were doing this just to annoy car drivers? Some kind've mad, personal vendetta? Unlikely.

OnAFrolicOfMyOwn · 23/09/2023 19:49

Goodness, give some folk a tiny bit of power and they turn into mini-tyrants 😂

alldakatz · 23/09/2023 19:49

Why was the Park Run there anyway? Do they pay for the use of the land? If not, why are NT allowing it, to the detriment of their members and paying visitors?

theduchessofspork · 23/09/2023 19:48

Sure. Complain to both

You could have done it in the time it took to write that post 😁

SisterMichaelsHabit · 23/09/2023 19:47

madamreign · 23/09/2023 19:25

You were sat in your heated car, with a padded seat and a radio for company at least. Presumably you were not in a rush to get to work or anything.

YABU

And dogs should be on leads on foot paths.

Ridiculous. I find it hard to believe you'd take this attitude if it was happening to you. And OP never said her dog was off the lead you've made that up to suit your narrative. Also it was a bridleway not a footpath.

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