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To think the National Trust should not let Park Run volunteers marshal the cars at a NT property

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ParkRunIdiots · 23/09/2023 18:50

So rocked up a very large NT property with lots of parkland at about 9:25 today.

had gone through the payment control bit, then you drive for about another mile (no joke) to the car park. Just before the car park all traffic stopped in a traffic jam caused by two Park Run people in pink vests who would not let any cars through.

So I sat there and say there and sat there, not a single car moved through. I could see the runners approaching from the right, at times there were gaps in the runners but still no car was allowed through. After ten minutes still no car had been allowed to pass. Several cars behind me did a 20 point turn and left.

Then I realised that the runners weren’t even crossing the road as I’d originally assumed, they turned right and ran alongside the road edge, which has a massive Green verge they could run on . So in my mind no need to stop any car. Or if some risk assessment has deemed it too dangerous to have the cars beside the runners then it means there’s no access to the car park for about 45 mins, in which case the NT property needs to open later!

the runners were all strung out, no big wide bunch/crowd, so single file or in pairs.

anyway I honked at this point. One pink vest guy had obviously been waiting for this moment and charged up, ran past me and bollocked the car behind me who was mid 20 point turn and leaving. That driver grassed me up so the park run guy came and condescendingly told me “when there’s a gap” we will let a car through. I said it was ridiculous, that there had been plenty of gaps, nobody had been allowed through and the runners weren’t even on the road!

At which point he told me if I didn’t like it I could leave!

then the other marshal let some of us through, even though there were still runners running alongside the verge the same as there had been for the last ten minutes! I think they were letting cars through in groups of 5 or 6 as some had gone through just before I got stopped. Again when there were runners there! So nothing to do with gaps!

diagram for an idea.

I do feel like emailing the NT and telling them they need to have an NT person there overseeing it, and preventing the Parkrun people been rude to other users.

I may be slightly anti park run after my (on lead, walking to heel) dog was trampled on and tripped over by several park runners on the inaugural run of my local new park run on a narrow public bridleway and they shouted at me for been there with a dog (even though I’d stepped into the mud at the side). Still not forgiven them for that.

To think the National Trust should not let Park Run volunteers marshal the cars at a NT property
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Georgieporgie29 · 24/09/2023 15:06

Yanbu about being held up for seemingly no reason. The volunteers could have let cars through even just warning them to go slow etc. some volunteers can get a bit power hungry (I say this as a Parkrun volunteer who doesn’t, I promise)

yabu calling the vests pink though, they are clearly raspberry 😉

MasterBeth · 24/09/2023 14:48

Absolute tyranny of the majority thinking: "We reserve the right to take over the park for two hours a week and prevent your quiet enjoyment of it."

FOJN · 24/09/2023 14:38

I understand it was annoying but now you know when the park run is you can just avoid that time period.

My local park run uses most of the same route I use for my morning dog walk, I make sure I'm out of the way by the time the runners are starting to gather. It's an hour, maximum, once a week so it doesn't feel like a massive sacrifice.

Lisdeflores · 24/09/2023 14:35

Park run is 1-2 hours once a week leaving 6 days and 22 hours for other users of the park. There are people who do take things very seriously but most people are just trying to get round in a good time and enjoying the experience.
I would like to echo the thoughts of another poster who said that park run had helped her mental health. PR has helped me in the same way and aided my recovery from serious health concerns.
You will always find rude and entitled people doing any activities . Cyclist who ride 6 abreast blocking paths and roads, dog walkers who don't control off lead dogs or people who let dogs amble about on long leads tripping people up. I could go on .
If we're all a bit more considerate of others we could get on quite nicely. I do think the NT could be doing a better job of advertising when park run is on and directing people to parking places.
I will now go and tend my sore limbs after my stunning 35 mins 5 k yesterday!

NunsKnickers · 24/09/2023 14:21

ClareWilsonNS · 24/09/2023 14:04

I think a tiny bit of power does go to people's heads sometimes. It was amusing seeing the eagerness with which the volunteer marshals were ordering people around in a pop-up covid vaccine car park once. Most of them were totally unneeded as it was bloody obvious how you should park and which way the clinic was. But give someone a yellow vest and they suddenly turn into a seargent major.

I agree.

When I went for one of the covid jabs I got told off for pausing to put my notebook (containing a code number that they needed) in my bag, as I had stopped too far from the temperature measurement machine.

There was no queue behind me, and in fact the entire place was deserted apart from over zealous, self important volunteers with clipboards and far too much power.

ClareWilsonNS · 24/09/2023 14:04

I think a tiny bit of power does go to people's heads sometimes. It was amusing seeing the eagerness with which the volunteer marshals were ordering people around in a pop-up covid vaccine car park once. Most of them were totally unneeded as it was bloody obvious how you should park and which way the clinic was. But give someone a yellow vest and they suddenly turn into a seargent major.

MasterBeth · 24/09/2023 13:58

BitOutOfPractice · 23/09/2023 21:50

They are volunteers, giving their time up to facilitate an event which is always free and allows millions of people to get and stay fit in a supportive and welcoming atmosphere. I think moaning about a ten minute wait for that is well, churlish. So I’ll say again, get a grip.

Being a volunteer is not an excuse to act the cunt.

MasterBeth · 24/09/2023 13:55

eurochick · 23/09/2023 19:53

Give some people a high vis vest and the power goes to their heads.

Absolutely this.

Parkrun like to talk about themselves as friendly communities and then take over public parks with their self-appointed park police, roping off public walkways and crowding out regular park users.

QueSyrahSyrah · 23/09/2023 22:41

I'm sorry you've had bad experiences OP but they don't mirror mine at any of the 5 Parkruns I've attended (although the London runners were noticeably less vocal in thanking the volunteers than others are).

At one time in my life Parkrun basically kept my mental health on the right side of the cliff edge it was balanced on.

Different runs have different rules. Ours is part tarmac around a public sports facility and part compressed gravel track. Parkrun has official priority over the tarmac part from 9-10 Saturday mornings, just like the accessible cycling group have priority from 10-11 and the speed cyclists have it for time trials on Thursday nights. It's public space but there's give and take for different activities.

QueSyrahSyrah · 23/09/2023 22:35

Parkwalk exists alongside Parkrun @MsRosley. Everyone is welcome Wink

ParkRunIdiots · 23/09/2023 22:35

She’s quoting my post . It was my dog. I’m sure it normally is dog friendly. But when there’s 400 runners channeling down a 3ft -4ft wide path where the runners are going in both directions (it’s an out and back route) and I have a spaniel size dog they didn’t see her and were literally tripping up over her. They were in such a hurry trying to get past me (i was walking not doing the park run) and tutting and getting cross trying to get past me.

I do find a lot of park runners totally self absorbed and they don’t give a shit about anyone else.

the one near me (same one with the dog incident) the start line is on a wide tarmac path. I have cycled up there before just before the start time and they take up the whole width of the path milling about. I cycle up, ringing my bell and shouting that a cyclist is coming through and they stand there. I’ve literally had to stop before and jump off with my front wheel 6” from people. Then they glare at you and begrudgingly move across. And yes, it is a cycle path.

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MsRosley · 23/09/2023 22:33

ParkRun people sound really annoying, like those entitled cyclists you get everywhere, or men who dominate the swimming lanes. What's wrong with ParkStroll or ParkLoafing? *

*Not being entirely serious. ParkRun peeps keep your knickers on.

VeronicaSawyer89 · 23/09/2023 22:30

BitOutOfPractice · 23/09/2023 22:28

Your dog was trampled on @VeronicaSawyer89 ? Really? Park run is ridiculously dog friendly.

I live 40m from the start finish of a parkrun, I’ve run quite a few myself, and dogs are 100% welcome.

No, the OP's was. That paragraph in bold was from the end of her first post.

BitOutOfPractice · 23/09/2023 22:28

VeronicaSawyer89 · 23/09/2023 21:57

I may be slightly anti park run after my (on lead, walking to heel) dog was trampled on and tripped over by several park runners on the inaugural run of my local new park run on a narrow public bridleway and they shouted at me for been there with a dog (even though I’d stepped into the mud at the side).

Read that back again.

Your dog was trampled on @VeronicaSawyer89 ? Really? Park run is ridiculously dog friendly.

I live 40m from the start finish of a parkrun, I’ve run quite a few myself, and dogs are 100% welcome.

FallGall · 23/09/2023 22:12

eurochick · 23/09/2023 19:53

Give some people a high vis vest and the power goes to their heads.

Ain't this the truth. My local town had an event and the volunteer Marshalls would let anyone local pass unless they had the password!! There wasn't a fucking password, just let us through to our homes ya melts!

ParkRunIdiots · 23/09/2023 22:08

ACynicalDad · 23/09/2023 22:03

Yabu an x point turn us always an odd number or you can never drive away and there is so much bluster in this I expect a lot of licence has been used in your description. Parkrun is brilliant, turn up earlier next well in your trainers, you can bring your dog to most parkruns too.

Sorry, i don’t understand your first sentence. I’ve done parkrun in the past. My fibula shattered through too much running when training for a half marathon so my running days are long gone. I can barely walk now.

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ACynicalDad · 23/09/2023 22:03

Yabu an x point turn us always an odd number or you can never drive away and there is so much bluster in this I expect a lot of licence has been used in your description. Parkrun is brilliant, turn up earlier next well in your trainers, you can bring your dog to most parkruns too.

ParkRunIdiots · 23/09/2023 22:02

No I was on the road above/running parallel to where the bike symbol is.

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QueSyrahSyrah · 23/09/2023 22:00

Thank you @ChicoryDip, I envisaged it as 1 lap course but 2 makes more sense.

QueSyrahSyrah · 23/09/2023 21:57

You've lost me now OP, I assumed you were stopped by the bike symbol, trying to get to the car park in the field on the right, having just passed the car park others have mentioned.

As for giving way to other users, AFAIK that applies to walkers etc, not motorists (given so few Parkruns share space with motorists).

Anyway, whatever, you've grumbled to NT and Parkrun and you've dragged your wasted 10 minutes into over 12 hours of being annoyed about it, so it's probably time to move on now?

To think the National Trust should not let Park Run volunteers marshal the cars at a NT property
VeronicaSawyer89 · 23/09/2023 21:57

madamreign · 23/09/2023 19:25

You were sat in your heated car, with a padded seat and a radio for company at least. Presumably you were not in a rush to get to work or anything.

YABU

And dogs should be on leads on foot paths.

I may be slightly anti park run after my (on lead, walking to heel) dog was trampled on and tripped over by several park runners on the inaugural run of my local new park run on a narrow public bridleway and they shouted at me for been there with a dog (even though I’d stepped into the mud at the side).

Read that back again.

ChicoryDip · 23/09/2023 21:54

I’ve just found the route map on the park run website. Where they were was actually after the finish line! They were walking back to the car park! Which explains why they were slow jogging/walking, I thought they must be the really slow ones at the back! So to be honest that makes me crosser. Why does all the traffic get stopped for them to walk back to the car park!

It's a two lap course so likely at 9:25am they were on their way round for the second lap. It does sound like a timing issue, a lot of the faster runners would have finished by then and by 9:35am even the slower walkers should have been past the car park.

Whilst it's really frustrating to have to wait please don't be cross at the volunteers as without them parkrun just wouldn't happen. Because they volunteer (rather than being permanent NT staff) they are probably more cautious about letting cars through as they won't want to risk causing an accident.

BitOutOfPractice · 23/09/2023 21:50

ParkRunIdiots · 23/09/2023 21:24

I think it’s more been annoyed at what I perceived to be an unnecessary ten min wait, nobody was crossing the road so i didn’t see why there was a hold up.

even if they do reckon there’s some sort of safety issue then maybe it ought to be like a stop/go board system. Runners get a minute, cars get a minute, repeat. I wouldn’t expect runners to wait ten minutes for cars, so not sure why it’s ok the other way round. If everyone has a minute “go” then nobody gets held up for too long.

Seems fair to me. But would probably require an NT person overseeing it to avoid Park Run marshal bias.

and if the park runners are upset it buggers their Strava segments up maybe they need to plot a 5k route which doesn’t go near a car park or road. There are miles and miles of off road tracks and paths they could use.

They are volunteers, giving their time up to facilitate an event which is always free and allows millions of people to get and stay fit in a supportive and welcoming atmosphere. I think moaning about a ten minute wait for that is well, churlish. So I’ll say again, get a grip.

ParkRunIdiots · 23/09/2023 21:44

QueSyrahSyrah · 23/09/2023 21:29

Looking at the route map and description you seem to have been not far from the finish, at just the wrong time. Most of our Parkrunners finish in between 25 and 35 minutes, so assuming this Parkrun is similar you'd have hit the absolute peak of people passing that point.

Weighing up Clumber Park's 307 runners and walkers today getting fresh air and exercise that they may not have done if it weren't a) free and b) sociable against a few people waiting a few minutes to park, I think YABU overall, but just something to bear in mind for next time, just avoid arriving between 9.20 and 9.40.

I’ve just found the route map on the park run website. Where they were was actually after the finish line! They were walking back to the car park! Which explains why they were slow jogging/walking, I thought they must be the really slow ones at the back! So to be honest that makes me crosser. Why does all the traffic get stopped for them to walk back to the car park!

it also says this on their site “Please remember that the parkrun uses shared paths. For the continued success of the event, please give way to other park users. This won't hurt your time, it won't stop you from getting a PB and it will make sure everyone continues to enjoy the event.”

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QueSyrahSyrah · 23/09/2023 21:42

There are miles and miles of off road tracks and paths they could use.

In response to this, yes in an ideal world, and most Parkruns do avoid roads like the plague.

That said, the inclusive aspect means that routes are (as much as is feasible) plotted to include people who might be less steady on their feet, visually impaired runners with guides and those with kids and running pushchairs. It's not possible at all Parkruns, but where it is, then veering away from that would reduce the amount of people who can take part.

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