To think having XL bullies around children is child neglect?

"The human error is that the dogs haven't been trained or socialised" that really doesn't help if you've been attacked. Some dogs aren't trained well, but still don't attack.

I agree, people are stupid. I wouldn't leave my baby with any dog.

I keep seeing videos online of tiny babies sleeping next to great big Alsatian dogs with hundreds of gushing comments about how 'cute' it is.

Bear in mind JRTs, huskies etc have killed small children, where do we stop?
If you look at every attack, there is human error/fault, the dogs have not been trained/socialised, contained etc
If you can look beyond the hysterical posts/articles, there are many very responsible large breed owners.
I myself had a cane corso boy (sadly now passed away) I adopted him after he'd been mistreated and in the 7 years we had him he was a wonderful dog, great with everyone he met, small/large dogs, because I put the time into training him.
Any dog has the potential to be a great dog.

No doubt, @Spendonsend - you get service dogs who are incredible and make a difference to so many people. However, this isn't about well trained, socialised service dogs. This is about dogs who are bred to attack and kill. Huge, muscular animals who can - and do - kill.

No its not. Im just so amazed by it i keep telling everyone about it.

I bet it's not an XL Bully.

My friend has an assistance dog that lets her know she is about to have an eplieptic fit. Its made a huge difference to her life. I dont know whether it can tell her through doors and upstairs though.

It doesnt monitor her breathing. They trainers arent sure if its smell or subtle behaviour changes.

I would think in this case the dog could hear unusual sounds from a seizure.

YANBU - But I don’t think you can tar all owners with the same brush or make the assumption they are all yobs. I dare say some of these people genuinely believe their dog won’t hurt anyone, or a child. Or did before the unimaginable (to them) happened.
And yes, all dogs are unpredictable. Other dogs have killed infants. The difference here is these dogs are bred for size and strength, they have hospitalised and killed adults. They are huge. If one attacks you have little chance of fighting back. So a child doesn’t stand a chance. Yes you can keep a dog separate in the house, but would you take the risk with one built to kill. They should be banned, neutered and taken out of homes where children are present.

I don't see what you see Blurrededges. There's lots to dislike about that video and the breed, absolutely.

What's your experience of/with dogs?

The dogs are essentially large pitbulls. It is reckless endangerment. Bull breeds were never nanny dogs. They were bred to fight.

I voted yabu because most dogs could kill a child. We have a young cocker spaniel and in the early days he was very mouthy (they’re apparently the bitiest dogs, nicknamed Crocker spaniels!) As his training we were ready every time handing him a toy or teddy but one day he was hyper and ran at my 15yo jumping up over and over again.I distracted him and he came over and we put him inside. 15yo is nearly 6ft and if he hadn’t been he’d definitely have gotten his face and if 15yo had been younger dog would have knocked him over and kept biting. He may have kept going, he may not. I know bullies are among the worst out there but if anyone leaves a young child with ANY dog they’re negligent

I presume this was a reply to me. You think that a dog could tell that a child wasn't breathing through a closed door and down a flight of stairs?

Absolute BS.

Its hard to say when an XL bully is not actually a breed, rather a type, so there is huge variation in personality, build and strength within this type.
Saying that, however, I would NEVER leave any child unattended with any dog.

While it’s obviously right not to leave a child unattended with any dog, I’m not sure it really helps with an XL bully. After all, it’s not as if the adult could do anything of the dog attacked (which any dog can).

I think people who have dogs that could easily overpower them are insane. Having one around children is negligent beyond words.

Because dogs do that.
Dogs do pick up changes that aren't as they should be. That's why they get trained as assistance dogs. A friend's tells her when to sit down because she's about to have an incident.

Have a look at the horrendous aggression in this video:

especially the way these two dogs 'greet' each other. They are mindless, terrifying and brutal.

And how did they know that the dog was barking because it could magically sense the child not breathing upstairs through a closed door?

It absolutely is child neglect and the children should be removed from hones that have a dog like that living in them. I read an article this morning where a mum was boasting her XL bullie was always kept alone with her 6 MONTH OLD baby as he was so protective of her🙄...the dogs jaw was twice the size of the baby's head and could have decapitated her in a second. The people who own these things have very low IQ I think ( in most cases, there may be a few exceptions).

The bastard who owned the two XL bullies that mauled Ian Price to death last week had posted photos of the dogs on social media with his toddler. Stupid, evil, murdering bastard.

An XL Bully is NOT a breed. Breeding of them doesn’t carry any responsibility and breeding/ownership cannot be controlled. When posters say the law should be changed they seem to believe it’s easy. It’s not. Cross breeds, by definition, are not registered. How do you stop them being bred? How do you stop people owning them? It’s going to take a lot of detective work and removal of dogs but then another cross breed will take their place.

Foolish people own these dogs. Maybe the owners should be rounded up? However the dangerous dogs act does need reviewing but so far it hasn’t stopped dog attacks when everyone thought it would.

I agree

Greyhounds are the most likely of any breed to kill a cat or smaller dog. I know I feel a lot more uncomfortable when I come across off-leash lurchers and greyhounds than I do bully breeds when I am out with DD's Chihuahuas.

If this was true we would have large numbers of greyhounds responsible for attacks on small children. Luckily, all dogs, even XL Bullies, know the difference between a small child and a prey animal.

I have no idea what is going in with XL Bullies. I agree there have been a disproportionate number of deaths attributed to them but I think we need more research before we can determine that there is something inherently wrong with the breed/type as a whole.

Atm, it appears the issue has more to do with bad ownership/the type of people these dogs attract than the breed itself. Almost all, if not 100% of the attacks, can be attributed to owner negligence and a lack of training and socialisation.

Banning XL Bullies or removing them from homes with children is not going to resolve the massive issue we have in this country with backyard breeding and inbreeding, puppy farming, and irresponsible ownership. Any large breed could become dangerous with the same set of conditions the XL Bully is currently in (over-breeding/inbreeding, irresponsible breeding (breeding for looks instead of health and good temperament) and poor ownership).

If you have more than one room you can separate a child from a dog. It’s vital they are not together alone when a child is young. I don’t like any aggressive dog but realistically a ban is difficult to implement and police. Decent dog breeders never breed this type of dog. As a nation we now love cross breeds. Often because they don’t shed hair. It’s clearly an issue. Perhaps dog wardens is the answer? Dogs get reported to them and assessed. Then what? Put down if they aren’t passing the test?

It's not that your wrong OP, but that it's hard to define and legislate. My daft mutt could be mistaken for a bulldog cross of some kind. We thought he had frenchie in him. Possibly Staffie.

He's a snaggle toothed short nosed pushover though, who can barely eat his dinner and is afraid of carrier bags. And cats

But he could fall foul of badly worded definitions.

I'm not actually concerned about him, and I dearly want something done about the bully XL types, but how you define them is the limiting issue at the moment.

Maybe dogs related to Killer Kimbo, for example.

I get so frustrated with the argument that any dog can bite. People referencing when another breed killed someone. It is not the same.
XL bully's are huge, powerful and sometimes bred for aggression. Not comparable to another large breed dog. They kill and are responsible for most fatal attacks. People don't stand a chance and if they turn, they want to kill, you only have to read pathology reports to see that.
I'm a dog lover, I have 3 but honestly these dogs need controlling responsible owners or not.

Not leaving a dog alone with a child isn’t enough. I was bitten on my face at the age of two by my grandmothers setter. In plain sight of my family. I have no memory of it but my family do and my sister has been put off dogs for life as a result. Luckily it was a setter as it bit and stopped. I have a faint scare now.

Our dogs were kept in completely separate areas of the house from our children when they were young. Love them but I don’t trust them 💯 because they are dogs. Even now they are older, we are careful when their friends come over as some children understandable don’t know how to behave around dogs if they’ve had no experience.

My daughters friend has an XL bully and I find myself finding excuses for plays dates at their house. It’s not that I don’t trust the owner, she’s brilliant with dogs. I just don’t trust the dog - any dog - and this one is big and strong. It’s that simple