To think having XL bullies around children is child neglect?

Yes ThisIsNotThePostYourLookingFor because a chihuahua or a French Bulldog can do exactly the same damage as an XL bully. You must be a troll because nobody is THAT stupid.

Well hopefully the French bulldogs will be next. As for all dogs can kill. Just stop it FFS! You and @ItWillWash are just embarrassing yourselves now.

Why are some people not getting this?! Mind you, we are talking about people with the level of intelligence that allows a killer dog around small children.

And these killer dogs have killed grown men too. Yet they still allow them around children.

Should not be surprised then, that they defend these dogs. 😬

Very worried, and upset, and angry even, but not surprised!

All dogs can kill so why are we not banning all dogs then? There was a story only a week or so ago about a French bulldog attacking a young child so why we not banning them?

You cannot just pick a particular breed and demand they are banned yet allow others to walk around free that can do the same damage.

I have no idea. She can't remember herself why she needed a chihuahua in her life from the age of 3ish but she says she loves them now because they are so "ugly" that they are cute once they age past puppyhood so it's definitely an aesthetic thing rather than the breed suiting her needs.

For bite inhibition, most of it is taught by littermates before the age of 8 weeks but you reinforce this by removing rewards/attention when your new puppy bites or by distracting with a toy.

I usually go for removal of attention but in larger breeds, this is not always easy so distraction with a toy also works. I used a mix of both with my rottie x when he was young. If he nipped too hard in play I would stand up and turn my back on him. If he was just mouthing I would offer him a toy to play with instead.

Agree OP. There is a family near me with one of these dogs and they have a baby about 9 months old. I hate when they walk near us in the street near my DC.
I'm also sick of hearing it's not the dog but the human. These dogs were breed to fight. Even the dogs that have been brought up well can still be triggered especially by a small child. I have heard of instances where the dog is asleep dreaming and suddenly snapped.

Right. At the moment we have a problem with XL bullies. If we take steps, we can prevent the next 9 people dying in the next two or three years.

Yes of course the numpties will be trying to breed something else- and when it proves as lethal as this breed we'll have to take steps on that, too.

We can't do nothing, and no measure will be fool proof.

Whoops that was for @ItWillWash !

I wanted to ask @HauntingSecrets how to teach bite inhibition.

@HauntingSecrets did your DD read a book called 'a dog so small', by Phillipa Poerce? It was a popular Childrens book which refers to chihuahuas!

We ban dogs that can and do kill

That's pretty much all dogs with the exception of lone Chihuahuas, teacup yorkies, and Italian greyhounds.

All dogs can kill and all dogs would become aggressive if they were aggressively inbred by numpties and then owned by numpties who don't socialise, exercise, or stimulate them.

I don't believe for a second that these numpties want their pets to maul innocent people, so maybe, if we educated them from a young age, that would make a difference. Education from primary age and above has made a difference in other countries so unless we have a special breed of stupid in the UK it can make a difference here, unlike BSL which has done nothing to reduce attacks.

@AlexaCanYouHearMe It's just baffling, isn't it, the inability of these people to follow a logical train of thought. Yes, there is some risk of injury with any dog. The younger the child, the more vulnerable they are. But the risk is much higher with a dog that a grown adult can't fight off. Is that so hard for people to grasp?

A dog who is properly socialised and accustomed to a wide range of people, other animals, noises, and environmental factors will not randomly take a dislike to someone for no reason nor is it likely to become fearful to the point where its fight or flight instinct kicks in.

If you have a dog who does this it is not yet fully socialised and you need to contact an APBC registered behaviourist.

There is very little chance of a dog who exercised, socialised, and stimulated appropriately attacking anyone, no matter what the breed is.
I hugely disagree with this. If a dog is threatened or frightened by something new, which of course can happen in life, of course they can attack someone. Or dogs can randomly take dislikes to people or other animals.

Agree @FawltyTower I cannot believe some people are still coming out with this 'oooh but a poodle can bite too, and so can a chihuahua!'

A badly behaved tiny dog - or even a border collie, red setter, or labrador, won't do anywhere NEAR as much damage as a badly trained fucking XL BULLY! Why do people keep coming out with this utter horseshit?

Why only XL bullies ?
because they’ve been all over the media that’s why.
rotties , Dobermans, staffs they’ve all been singled out before.
I wouldn’t leave any dog alone with a young child and I have a sausage dog.
The problem is the owners. Too many rude boy wannabes using big dogs as penis extensions.

@Devilsmommy I've seen the short video of the attack you had to witness first hand and it's horrific.

I'm so sorry you had to see it in real life and for Ian.

Some people are in denial about what these dogs are capable of. Maybe they need to see it and wise up.

As has been pointed out several times on these threads, people are happy to acknowledge that breeds can have an instinct to chase/retrieve/herd/etc so why is it so hard to believe that some breeds tend towards aggression?

All of the "instincts" you posted are inherent to Canidea as a whole. Aggression to their own species and to humans is not which is why it is treated differently in behaviour science than other breed traits.

You could say the same about any breed of dog realistically even small dogs are a risk we had a small dog pts in the 70s as it wouldn't let anyone near the baby and bit the person who did

Any dog could turn, yes. An aggressive spaniel could snap at a child and bite them on the neck, injuring them. If you were incredibly unlucky, the teeth could catch the child at the worst angle, reaching a major artery and causing a bleed/possible death if you can't get to a hospital in time. But that would be incredibly unlikely.

If an XL bully snaps at your child and catches them on the neck, they will hold on. They will lock their jaw and hold and increase the force whilst their sunken in teeth rip through arteries and flesh causing more and more damage until it's game over. Your kid is dead.

The numerous videos of XL bully attacks where they've latched onto a person's arm or leg leave me cold. The only reason these people are still alive is because they had the blind luck that a limb was closer to the dog than their head or neck. Because if it had been their head or neck, they'd be dead.

Pit bulls and their crosses don't bite, they latch on, exert force and cause horrendous damage. Comparing a 'normal' dog bite to an XL bully bite is like comparing cutting your arm with a knife to sticking your arm in a blender.

@Anothernamechange3 all 3 Jack Russell attacks were on babies under 4 months old. In one of the incidents there was also a Staffie involved.

My point in posting the info I did was to demonstrate that there is obviously an issue with certain breeds. Of course the owner plays huge part but you (generic “you”) cannot dismiss breed type and disposition. As has been pointed out several times on these threads, people are happy to acknowledge that breeds can have an instinct to chase/retrieve/herd/etc so why is it so hard to believe that some breeds tend towards aggression?

There is very little chance of a dog who exercised, socialised, and stimulated appropriately attacking anyone, no matter what the breed is.

The problem is people are getting these large, working breeds and not exercising them anywhere near enough or giving them any mental stimulation at all. When I was working as a trainer I always told clients if you do not give your working breed a job he or she will find their own and it will almost always be a job you don't want them to have (usually perimeter guarding or "protecting" you from the postman/local cats/a leaf caught on a breeze by barking incessantly).

Working breeds, including traditional bullbaiting breeds and terriers, need to be worked for their sanity. You can walk them for 8 hours a day but unless they have a "job" they still won't be worn out.