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Dogs Everywhere

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SusanandMidge · 17/09/2023 20:36

I don't live in the UK but am just back from a holiday in Cornwall. We were shocked at the amount of dogs allowed everywhere. They were in every restaurant, cafe, pub and hotel. Two or three people with dogs would all go into a small shop, blocking the aisles for everyone else. In Port Isaac on a lovely sunny Sunday afternoon the whole harbour and uphill area was disrupted by loud and continuous barking. Dogs were running around off leash on every beach. People were clogging the narrow pavements with two or three dogs on leads, wheeling dogs around in prams and buggies, stopping outside holiday cottages for ages chatting while their dogs barked, yapped and howled and ruined the peace for the people inside.

We were genuinely wondering if the next time we came back there would be dog and owner spaces in supermarket carparks and an expectation that you should stand up on public transport to let people with dogs sit down.

AIBU to think England has gone a bit mad when it comes to dogs?

OP posts:
Noorandapples · 18/09/2023 01:11

Since lock down there's been a huge surge in London of dog owners. And what's worse is that aren't trained well.

I have one child afraid of dogs since witnessing an attack and the other has quite severe allergies. So when owners are letting their dog walk on a very slack lead right next to my children, sniffing and slobbering, I either have to cross the road, or if there's a dog on the other side too i have to ask them to please keep their dog away. There's always upset at that because I've insulted their precious little fur baby by not wanting them touching my children.

Efficaciou5 · 18/09/2023 00:56

Efficaciou5 · 18/09/2023 00:51

Are you sure ?

If for example, a lion, a giraffe, a rhino, a pit bull or a Komodo dragon were wondering around in your local park, or on the street would your preference be that they were left alone, and would you be citing that they have just as much right to be here as humans ?

Efficaciou5 · 18/09/2023 00:51

EllBellWell · 18/09/2023 00:45

Animals have just as much right to be here as humans. Simple as that. No one has a right to dictate where an animal can be when outdoors. Cafes and pubs, ok I get that. Outdoors? No.

Are you sure ?

EllBellWell · 18/09/2023 00:45

Efficaciou5 · 18/09/2023 00:41

Evolution ?

Since you don't seem too happy with your lot, I'd be interested to hear which species would you prefer to have in power ?

Animals have just as much right to be here as humans. Simple as that. No one has a right to dictate where an animal can be when outdoors. Cafes and pubs, ok I get that. Outdoors? No.

Efficaciou5 · 18/09/2023 00:41

EllBellWell · 18/09/2023 00:29

What makes humans more important than another life? Regardless if its a dog, giraffe or bird.

I'm shocked at the entitlement of this thread. That's why the world is shit because HUMAN attitude is shit

Evolution ?

Since you don't seem too happy with your lot, I'd be interested to hear which species would you prefer to have in power ?

asterel · 18/09/2023 00:39

I really dislike most dogs generally - I’m not scared of them, but I just really dislike how unhygienic they are, and how badly trained most are. (I have a lovely cat instead who is an indoor cat and doesn’t bother anyone, doesn’t mouse or poo in anyone’s garden.) But dogs smell horrible and are generally a bit of a nuisance. The well trained ones with considerate owners are really very few and far between.

It’s interesting to me to notice how they go in and out of fashion, too. My boomer parents had dogs as children in the 50s, 60s and 70s, but they didn’t have any as adults. Dogs definitely seemed to decrease in popularity from the mid-80s onwards (though I do remember the dog shit on the pavements when I was a kid - ugh). In the 90s and 2000s, though, hardly anybody had a dog any more - I knew very few people or families who had one. (I wonder if this coincided with the new laws on picking up dog poo.)

Since around 2014/15 they have suddenly become very popular again. I can understand the lockdown effect, but the increase in dogs IMO dates from a little bit earlier - suddenly breeds like cockapoos and French bulldogs got fashionable around the middle of the decade. I agree with OP that it’s all a bit much now. We too were on holiday in Cornwall this summer, and there were dogs everywhere - we didn’t have that many problems on restaurants, but the overflowing dog poo bins were nasty, and many owners were simply ignoring beach signs that dogs weren’t permitted, and letting them run all over beaches off lead with kids playing. Hugely antisocial IMO.

MehtotheChristmasrunup · 18/09/2023 00:39

@EllBellWell Well said.

Tigertigertigertiger · 18/09/2023 00:33

Yup I hate it

EllBellWell · 18/09/2023 00:29

Butterkist8 · 17/09/2023 21:39

Pisses me right off and I'm a dog owner/lover.

My dad had a shop and dogs were routinely allowed, in those days, to bring their dogs in.

The amount of stock that he had to destroy due to dogs peeing was almost ruinous.
He was so happy when he could , justifiably, put a 'dogs not allowed' sign up.

Dogs do not have human rights, nor should they. If you can't leave your dog at home for a short while then you shouldn't have had one.

What makes humans more important than another life? Regardless if its a dog, giraffe or bird.

I'm shocked at the entitlement of this thread. That's why the world is shit because HUMAN attitude is shit

AtTyeTim · 18/09/2023 00:24

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EllBellWell · 18/09/2023 00:23

SusanandMidge · 17/09/2023 21:26

But not nice for everyone else.

The world doesn't belong to humans. It is home to a vast array of animals, domestic or wild.

The problem with society is entitlement. Works both ways, dog owners can be but also non dog owners.

Efficaciou5 · 18/09/2023 00:21

The OP's absolutely right.

There are those who for whatever reason couldn't have kids and nurture their dogs as though they are their kids.

There are also an overwhelming majority who expect everyone else to love their dog just as much as they do, and are often quite hostile to those who don't.

When we take our dog out in public places, the focus is to minimise its' impact on others. Barking is totally unacceptable, and if in a pub / restaurant etc. our dog will lie down, unseen and unheard. Any other approach is selfish and socially unacceptable.

PatientZorro · 18/09/2023 00:00

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DyslexicPoster · 17/09/2023 23:44

VeronicasCloset · 17/09/2023 23:24

Yep.

Those pesky future tax paying adults. Bastards.

Don't worry, dogs will be providing our care needs in our dotage. As much as people hate children, someone's kid will be keeping you alive when your nearing end of life. If no one had children then we would be working past 80 and being operated on by 80 year olds when we die out. I guess people who hate kids want humans to die out anyone so it's win win.

HelpMeGetThrough · 17/09/2023 23:42

ABC123DoReMiDoeRayMe · 17/09/2023 23:40

Indeed. If we were a nation of animal lovers, we'd all be vegan.
Such hypocrisy.

I'm an animal lover.

Pork, beef and chicken taste great!!!

ABC123DoReMiDoeRayMe · 17/09/2023 23:40

Indeed. If we were a nation of animal lovers, we'd all be vegan.
Such hypocrisy.

ABC123DoReMiDoeRayMe · 17/09/2023 23:40

I'm sick of the dog culture nuttery in this country. Absolutely hate it.
I didn't mind dogs growing up. They tended to stay at home, or just on their walks. Now they are everywhere. Detestable.

Physiologicalmalfunction · 17/09/2023 23:39

XenoBitch · 17/09/2023 23:31

This thread is about dogs, so....

Yes of course.

The post I replied to stated that Britain was a nation of animal lovers.

I beg to differ.

However, you are correct - it isn't 'most' pet animals that end up in animal rescue centres. It is a very significant amount. Enough to show that the British are not, indeed, animal lovers. They are animal 'must have'ers but then often 'can't be bothered'ers'. We are a very lazy pet owning nation. So many people getting pugs just so they don't have to walk them much (they can't actually walk very well as they can hardly breathe).
Loving the breeds of cruft despite the genetic problem the breeds have.

It's all a sham. We are NOT a nation of animal lovers.
Pet owners are just entitled. 'I want therefore I shall have'.

PumpkinBum3 · 17/09/2023 23:36

PinkTonic · 17/09/2023 20:51

I’m absolutely sick and tired of dog friendly everything. Dogs shouldn’t be in restaurants, I don’t want them anywhere near me or anywhere my food is being served and I don’t want to stay in a hotel room that’s had dogs in it. It’s bad enough outside. I walked to my local shop early one morning last week and all the way there I was dodging streams of urine running across the pavement. It’s disgusting. Neither do I want anyone’s ‘friendly’ animal sniffing at me or tripping me up.

Agree with all of this. I am sick of them everywhere especially when food is around 🤢

Alstroemeria123 · 17/09/2023 23:35

KimberleyClark · 17/09/2023 23:34

And dog ownership is known to confer physical and mental health benefits, so perhaps saving the NHS money……

Do they only look at the effects on people owning the dog though? As some dogs (not all!) definitely have an adverse effect on my mental health.

VeronicasCloset · 17/09/2023 23:34

I’m really not. Incredible. More than one person has an opposite view to yours.

Please don’t bother feeling anything for me.

KimberleyClark · 17/09/2023 23:34

XenoBitch · 17/09/2023 23:31

And?? So only humans that pay in are allowed to exist now? Pet dogs don't take from the public purse, they are paid for privately from people's own money.

And dog ownership is known to confer physical and mental health benefits, so perhaps saving the NHS money……

XenoBitch · 17/09/2023 23:31

Physiologicalmalfunction · 17/09/2023 23:30

This post was about animals.

You are talking only about dogs.

This thread is about dogs, so....

XenoBitch · 17/09/2023 23:31

Womencanlift · 17/09/2023 23:28

Regardless how much they take out they are still going to pay more in than a dog

And?? So only humans that pay in are allowed to exist now? Pet dogs don't take from the public purse, they are paid for privately from people's own money.

Physiologicalmalfunction · 17/09/2023 23:30

XenoBitch · 17/09/2023 23:21

11 million dogs in the UK. Are you suggesting that there is a similar number that are in shelters? I would hazard a guess that not even 1 million are in shelters right now.

This post was about animals.

You are talking only about dogs.