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nopainnogain1 · 17/09/2023 16:42

My 12 year old has a school friend. This girl frequently comes home from school with DD and I feed her, care for her, she sleeps here etc when her mum's 'busy'.
She's a nice kid, but prone to a lack of respect at times. She refers to me as her second mum which is slightly odd but somewhat endearing. It's probably why I let some of her behaviour slide. Like, for example, she'll decide she needs a shower and will go in to my en-suite and help herself to my very expensive shampoo and conditioner. She takes them back to DD's bathroom, where after use she'll leave them thrown on the floor along with her wet towels. Apparently the shampoo and condition I provide for my own daughter isn't good enough for her hair type.

Anyway. On Friday after school my DD calls. Can her friend come over? Okay I say. They turn up just before dinner..... and this kid has been here ever since. She left about ten minutes ago after announcing 'I'm going! My mum's outside in the car. We're off out for dinner, bye!' Then out the front door she trots, wearing my daughter's hoodie, socks and sliders. I doubt I'll see those again. 🙄 I asked DD if she was invited out for dinner too. She wasn't.

This bothers me, and I'll tell you why. On Friday evening she tells me her mum is out in town in a date. DP and I exchanged a glance. So we are both aware that her mum's off with a new fella thus she needs the childcare and so sent her kid here.

On Saturday early eve the girls ask if they can go out and ask for money for food and drink. I send £20 to this girl's account because DD doesn't have a bank card yet and I didn't want to hand mine over.
They head off to the garden of a local very reasonably priced chain pub for a coke and a pizza before going on to meet friends at the park.

My daughter calls later on to ask for a lift home. I say no, it's still light and you're a ten minute walk away, see you shortly. She chats about their evening and says they asked her friend's mum for a lift home to ours but she was 'too drunk'. When they arrived at the pub she was already there drinking apparently.

Am I unreasonable to think that if you're going to palm your child off on someone else all weekend so you can go out to the pub and go on dates, and you've very much aware that someone else has given your daughter money for a meal out, then the very least you can do is get out of your car, come to the door and say thanks for having my child all weekend. And if you want to take your kid out for dinner afterwards, that's fine. But don't tell your DD this plan until you're well away from the house you left them at all weekend. Otherwise you just look like a massive CF!

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RoseAdagio · 18/09/2023 15:06

Washed up ex glamour model....is your daughter's school friend's mother Katie Price?!

Zimunya · 18/09/2023 14:57

nopainnogain1 · 17/09/2023 18:23

I'm trying hard to set boundaries with her. She's been told not to touch my things. She's been told not to take food without asking. I was surprised that after she said sorry the other week for taking my shampoo she then did it again. I bollocked her there and then.

It's interesting because I've never related it to my situation with this kid now, but I had a similar situation growing up. I got a scholarship to a private school but came from a council estate growing up and my parents were also a bit shit. Particularly my
Dad.
I had one friend who is still very special to me now, who's parents took me under their wing. They showed me how to have manners and how to behave. The even had me for one Christmas aged about 14 and bought me a few small gifts, because my own parents had other plans and didn't want to spend the day with me. Later my friends mum even helped me pass my German Spanish A-Level as she was fluent.
I'll never forget what that family gave me.

So if I can help this kid I will. I'm not going to turn my back on her when she needs some stability in her life.

OP, I think you are getting an unnecessary hammering on this thread too. FWIW, I think what you are doing for this child is amazing. Yes, the mother is a CF, and speak to her by all means. But continue to model good behaviour, manners, and sticking to boundaries with this child. What you are doing for her is amazing.

whynotwhatknot · 18/09/2023 14:49

youre very kind op-i wold still sit her down and say these are the house rules

by all means wash her clothes but when she is due to go home give them back so she wear them not your dds clothes

Sazza26xx · 18/09/2023 14:29

PorridgeOnToast · 18/09/2023 14:10

@Sazza26xx I feel fairly confident to promise you that absolutely NO-ONE is crying over the term Karen.

That would be as sad, ridiculous and immature as some "laughing" over the crying...

Go cry

PurpleRains · 18/09/2023 14:23

I run a village pub. It’s against the law for unaccompanied children to be on the licensed premises, including beer gardens. I’m tough on my customers, I don’t allow swearing or bad behaviour, but I can’t be in all places at once to police this. I’ve sent children away from the beer garden who wanted to order lunch on their own. The only exception I make is to serve water or cold drinks on hot days, maybe with a packet of crisps or chocolate, to be taken away. For the lady who’s child ordered at the bar - fine if you’re on the premises and nearby. I won’t employ anyone under 16 because I don’t think it’s a suitable environment. Even at 4pm on a Saturday there can be drunk stag parties passing through.

Channellingsophistication · 18/09/2023 14:22

I get you want to have this girl round, and I think you’ve clearly been very kind. I guess you just need to reset the boundaries and I would certainly not allow her to use the bathroom and your things and wear your DD’s clothes. Perhaps DD could ask you when she wants to have her friend over, and you can be a bit more formal about it.

Orangello · 18/09/2023 14:20

OP, I had a "friend" like this. You need to protect your daughter, clearly she feels unable to set her own boundaries, just like I did. And yes I would have also said that she's my bestie and of course I want her at ours. But she was a CF user who only wanted to hang with me to take advantage of me, and I really wish my mum would have noticed and help me not to be such a doormat.

momtoboys · 18/09/2023 14:15

Please update when/if you talk to the mother. I’m invested now!

PorridgeOnToast · 18/09/2023 14:10

@Sazza26xx I feel fairly confident to promise you that absolutely NO-ONE is crying over the term Karen.

That would be as sad, ridiculous and immature as some "laughing" over the crying...

JudgeJ · 18/09/2023 14:06

Lulu1919 · 17/09/2023 17:33

Sorry I'm still wondering how many 12 year olds go to the pub for dinner alone !!

I only learned recently that a 12 year old can go to the bar and order a Coke. At one time children were not allowed into the bar area, I would add that she was with our group and had declined another Coke then changed her mind!

horseyhorsey17 · 18/09/2023 14:02

I think I'd be inclined to help this girl out a bit. It isn't her fault that her mum is, well, a shit mum.

AmIAutumnalNow · 18/09/2023 14:02

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Actually laughing?

Awww bless

Gillbil · 18/09/2023 13:55

I think you're doing the right thing. Only thing is, maybe talk to the dd friend before the mum so she understands she's still welcome and not being rejected.
Good luck

BrokenButNotFinished · 18/09/2023 13:52

This sounds like a challenging situation on many levels @nopainnogain1 and I do admire you for sticking with this child.

However, I do echo what others have said about raising it as a safeguarding issue with the school. If she's 12 and in the UK, she will presumably have moved to secondary quite recently. While they will presumably be aware of background, they may not be aware of what's going on currently. One of my daughters has a friend classed as vulnerable and as well as social services involvement and CAMHS, she has a supportive team in school as well. In your situation, this could well get worse as the child gets older.

jessnoah · 18/09/2023 12:57

Also I would put down the shampoo issue as her just being a bit young and silly. She's probably just let herself get to comfortable, something which she doesn't have at home. Might be worth talking to your daughter about it then she can politely say you prefer to keep your shampoo and conditioner for you.

jessnoah · 18/09/2023 12:56

Ok so I could be completely wrong about this situation but this was me as a teenager. I lived at my best friend's house and they fed me and everything. My home life was simply horrible for me, I didn't want to be at home. My mum would be labelled the CF, she was off dating men and wanted them back at the house and me out of it. She was abusing me a lot of the time, physically and emotionally. You obviously should speak to the girl (my friend's mum did actually learn about the situation, hence why she was so kind). But I think you should chat to your daughter first, then her friend, and try to establish what's what. Yes, you're looking after her child, but I assure you that child will remember what you've done for her forever at what sounds like isn't a great time in her life. I'm forever grateful to my best friend's parents, and visit often and bring them gifts, and don't really have a relationship with my mum.

Lastchancechica · 18/09/2023 12:08

Hotsaucegal · 18/09/2023 08:44

To everyone being so very judgmental about the ‘pub’ pizza , you have no idea where OP lives. In my village the only establishment for food within walking distance is the Pub, it has a large garden, everyone knows everyone- we are friends a with the owners. It would be completely appropriate to let you daughter sit in the garden with a friend. Just because you live in london and “sushi and juice bars “ might be plentiful doesn’t mean that’s everyone’s lived experience. I also suspect that a village pub garden is far safer than letting them loose in Westfield.

I live rurally! Our nearest town does in fact have sushi and juice bars.

heartsinvisiblefury · 18/09/2023 10:23

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What is it that makes you laugh? You find it funny that when a woman complains about an issue she is called a Karen? It's as if you think a woman should just sit down and shut up. Hilarious.

Hotsaucegal · 18/09/2023 08:44

To everyone being so very judgmental about the ‘pub’ pizza , you have no idea where OP lives. In my village the only establishment for food within walking distance is the Pub, it has a large garden, everyone knows everyone- we are friends a with the owners. It would be completely appropriate to let you daughter sit in the garden with a friend. Just because you live in london and “sushi and juice bars “ might be plentiful doesn’t mean that’s everyone’s lived experience. I also suspect that a village pub garden is far safer than letting them loose in Westfield.

TerfTalking · 18/09/2023 06:21

In the nicest possible way OP, I would be careful that you aren’t being played. I have been in similar positions, having a now grown up daughter who has brought a succession of friends through the door over the years. On more than one occasion that vulnerable, neglected (streetwise and using) child turned out to be flaky and fucked off and found a new friend when the gravy train dried up, leaving me with a confused and distraught DD.

If she turns out to be a true friend of your daughters then she will thrive from boundaries. Bullshit that a neglected and unclean child can only use expensive shampoo and has to walk out of the house in your DDs sliders. Where are her shoes? I bet she took them home with her.

nip this in the bud now, by all means be kind but stop being walked over.

CarbsAreNotMyFriend · 18/09/2023 06:07

Ignore these other posts OP, usual Mumsnet pile on. You sound lovely and kind, and yes the mum is a CF. I think you'll be doing more for that girl than you realise. I had a similar situation as a child and loved the sanctuary of this other home (it was as much about the mum as it was spending time with her kids).

Definitely continue to set boundaries but if your daughter is happy and you don't mind this girl being around, then don't punish her for her selfish, rude & feckless mother.

Lastchancechica · 18/09/2023 05:48

AliciaLime · 18/09/2023 05:26

My kids aren’t doing much of that on their own in the evening either. Maybe a juice bar in the afternoon. Dropped off and picked up at the cinema in the evening. A pizza at a push.

Mine are older. 15 and 17. At 12 they were usually having play dates, doing sports and clubs snd at a push a Saturday visit to the cinema with me at the back.

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AliciaLime · 18/09/2023 05:26

Lastchancechica · 18/09/2023 05:23

It’s not remotely normal. In the U.K. or elsewhere. Most teens enjoy sushi, pizza restaurants or juice bars.

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My kids aren’t doing much of that on their own in the evening either. Maybe a juice bar in the afternoon. Dropped off and picked up at the cinema in the evening. A pizza at a push.

Lastchancechica · 18/09/2023 05:23

AliciaLime · 18/09/2023 04:45

It isn’t, at least for my kids and their friends and can’t say I’ve noticed other 12 year olds alone in this type of scenario.

OP - I know it’s not what you’ve asked, but this is quite unusual. And even if for you, it’s not, because you think the risk is low, or your child is sensible, I wouldn’t trust the other girl, based on what you’ve said, to be sensible too. I think your daughter could be exposed to some difficult situations.

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It’s not remotely normal. In the U.K. or elsewhere. Most teens enjoy sushi, pizza restaurants or juice bars.

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