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nopainnogain1 · 17/09/2023 16:42

My 12 year old has a school friend. This girl frequently comes home from school with DD and I feed her, care for her, she sleeps here etc when her mum's 'busy'.
She's a nice kid, but prone to a lack of respect at times. She refers to me as her second mum which is slightly odd but somewhat endearing. It's probably why I let some of her behaviour slide. Like, for example, she'll decide she needs a shower and will go in to my en-suite and help herself to my very expensive shampoo and conditioner. She takes them back to DD's bathroom, where after use she'll leave them thrown on the floor along with her wet towels. Apparently the shampoo and condition I provide for my own daughter isn't good enough for her hair type.

Anyway. On Friday after school my DD calls. Can her friend come over? Okay I say. They turn up just before dinner..... and this kid has been here ever since. She left about ten minutes ago after announcing 'I'm going! My mum's outside in the car. We're off out for dinner, bye!' Then out the front door she trots, wearing my daughter's hoodie, socks and sliders. I doubt I'll see those again. 🙄 I asked DD if she was invited out for dinner too. She wasn't.

This bothers me, and I'll tell you why. On Friday evening she tells me her mum is out in town in a date. DP and I exchanged a glance. So we are both aware that her mum's off with a new fella thus she needs the childcare and so sent her kid here.

On Saturday early eve the girls ask if they can go out and ask for money for food and drink. I send £20 to this girl's account because DD doesn't have a bank card yet and I didn't want to hand mine over.
They head off to the garden of a local very reasonably priced chain pub for a coke and a pizza before going on to meet friends at the park.

My daughter calls later on to ask for a lift home. I say no, it's still light and you're a ten minute walk away, see you shortly. She chats about their evening and says they asked her friend's mum for a lift home to ours but she was 'too drunk'. When they arrived at the pub she was already there drinking apparently.

Am I unreasonable to think that if you're going to palm your child off on someone else all weekend so you can go out to the pub and go on dates, and you've very much aware that someone else has given your daughter money for a meal out, then the very least you can do is get out of your car, come to the door and say thanks for having my child all weekend. And if you want to take your kid out for dinner afterwards, that's fine. But don't tell your DD this plan until you're well away from the house you left them at all weekend. Otherwise you just look like a massive CF!

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Sj07 · 18/09/2023 16:25

Been there, done it. Several times. And the resentment will grow until eventually you snap. You have two choices, tell the kid and her mum to p off, so you don't get taken for a ride by them, saving you stress and money.. Or you accept that your kindness will never be reciprocated, for whatever reason, and you'll never be thanked or reimbursed, but that you are providing a safe space for your daughters friend, where she experiences kindness and compassion and hopefully learns some boundaries along the way. Definitely start by making your bedroom and en suite out of bounds, and explain that any clothes she borrows from your daughter must be returned. It's a thankless job, but I'm sure when the girl is older and a bit more mature she will look back and be grateful that she had at least one stable adult in her life who was a positive influence on her. Good luck!

rainbowstardrops · 18/09/2023 16:07

I mean, it's admirable that you're looking out for this girl but you've already stated that SS have previously been involved and there is history of neglect, abuse and drug taking, so surely you're just enabling this to continue?
SS need to be made aware again if this is the case.
Fine to having her round but absolutely not fine to be burying your head in the sand and going along with it all.

Tryingandfailingagain · 18/09/2023 16:04

PurpleRains · 18/09/2023 14:23

I run a village pub. It’s against the law for unaccompanied children to be on the licensed premises, including beer gardens. I’m tough on my customers, I don’t allow swearing or bad behaviour, but I can’t be in all places at once to police this. I’ve sent children away from the beer garden who wanted to order lunch on their own. The only exception I make is to serve water or cold drinks on hot days, maybe with a packet of crisps or chocolate, to be taken away. For the lady who’s child ordered at the bar - fine if you’re on the premises and nearby. I won’t employ anyone under 16 because I don’t think it’s a suitable environment. Even at 4pm on a Saturday there can be drunk stag parties passing through.

Spent many many years working in bars and completely agree.

Staff are not there to babysit your unaccompanied children. In an environment that serves alcohol this is in no way appropriate.

gamerchick · 18/09/2023 16:03

ThereIbledit · 18/09/2023 15:43

@gamerchick It's not that black and white though is it. She is doing the kid kindness. I agree that she should be reporting all safeguarding concerns to SS, but this won't be the first kid who somebody who isn't their immediate parent has effectively parented the child. Should it have to happen? - no of course not, but SS leave plenty of kids with parents who are inadequate but don't hit thresholds for removal (and frankly long term outcomes for kids who are removed are much more bleak than those who are left in situ, if the parenting isn't actually bad enough). Most of those parents just aren't going to step up, so the kid either raises themselves, is raised by the inadequate parent, or if they are lucky a grandparent or friend's parent acts in loco parentis and the kid stands a better chance in life than if that friend's parent didn't.

And what happens when the kid turns into a teenager. She has no boundaries now, what will it be like in a couple of years. What will it be like when the OPs kid outgrows this friendship? The kid decides she wants to live with the OP full time? It's going to happen.

It might seem to be the kindest and easiest option now. But long term it isn't.

Tryingandfailingagain · 18/09/2023 16:01

Lastchancechica · 17/09/2023 20:03

As kind as I think op is, influenced by her own difficulties. As much as I feel she should help with boundaries, I can’t help but think op is going to really regret encouraging this friendship. I have seen this play out multiple times with teen girls.

This

The young girl clearly needs a better support network- but it wouldn’t be coming at the potential expense of my own child.

And it’s not really ok to allow two young girls of that age to sit in a pub garden on their own, 4pm or not, just inappropriate. Plenty of other places they can hang out

Tryingandfailingagain · 18/09/2023 15:57

Where are your boundaries?

Seriously- is this the message you’re happy to send to your daughter about how you allow people to treat you?

Duckingella · 18/09/2023 15:49

Are they at the same school?

Is there a safeguarding lead there?;if so can you talk with them?;handing your kids off to all and sundry because you won't look after them yourself is a red flag when other issues are present.

I'm going to take it that the father isn't in the picture as she's spending a lot of time at your house.

Is she showering at yours because she doesn't have access to a proper shower at home?

ThereIbledit · 18/09/2023 15:43

@gamerchick It's not that black and white though is it. She is doing the kid kindness. I agree that she should be reporting all safeguarding concerns to SS, but this won't be the first kid who somebody who isn't their immediate parent has effectively parented the child. Should it have to happen? - no of course not, but SS leave plenty of kids with parents who are inadequate but don't hit thresholds for removal (and frankly long term outcomes for kids who are removed are much more bleak than those who are left in situ, if the parenting isn't actually bad enough). Most of those parents just aren't going to step up, so the kid either raises themselves, is raised by the inadequate parent, or if they are lucky a grandparent or friend's parent acts in loco parentis and the kid stands a better chance in life than if that friend's parent didn't.

Mamai90 · 18/09/2023 15:43

I see some lovely posters are telling you to ban this poor child from your house, why the hell would someone take it out on the child if their mother is a feckless alcoholic? Not only that, it would be punishing her own child too!

I think it's fine to set boundaries like don't wear DDs clothes home or use your shampoo or conditioner but I think that's as far as I'd go with the child.

As for the Mum I'd be putting her in her place, you're not free childcare! Definitely a CF!

gamerchick · 18/09/2023 15:41

EvilElsa · 18/09/2023 15:34

Wow, you are easily pleased. Good for you.
FYI - I don't think anyone is crying over the term Karen. They are just letting you know only bell ends use it and why. Maybe it will stop you embarrassing yourself in the future 👍

Or 14 yr old boys. It's only fitting in that age group. Grown adults using it is well cringy.

Parky04 · 18/09/2023 15:40

How soft are you? Grow a backbone and nip this in the bud!

Sazza26xx · 18/09/2023 15:37

BonnieLisbon · 18/09/2023 15:36

Usually people that use the giggling twat emoji at things that aren't funny aren't very bright. Ditto people who call women Karens.

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That's good

Newestname002 · 18/09/2023 15:37

Put locks on your bedroom door so she can't help herself to shit and make sure you get stuff back belonging to your kid.

Yes I thought along these lines in the first couple of OP's posts, including OP telling this child what behaviour is and is not acceptable in her home.

A conversation with DD might also be needed so she's aware she can say No when her friend goes too far and that DD is aware of her mother's own boundaries as far as this child is concerned. 🌹

Sazza26xx · 18/09/2023 15:37

EvilElsa · 18/09/2023 15:34

Wow, you are easily pleased. Good for you.
FYI - I don't think anyone is crying over the term Karen. They are just letting you know only bell ends use it and why. Maybe it will stop you embarrassing yourself in the future 👍

Haven't embarrassed myself but thanks for your concern 😘

BonnieLisbon · 18/09/2023 15:36

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Usually people that use the giggling twat emoji at things that aren't funny aren't very bright. Ditto people who call women Karens.

EvilElsa · 18/09/2023 15:34

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Wow, you are easily pleased. Good for you.
FYI - I don't think anyone is crying over the term Karen. They are just letting you know only bell ends use it and why. Maybe it will stop you embarrassing yourself in the future 👍

gamerchick · 18/09/2023 15:28

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Save that crap for Facebook where it belongs. Vile term.

CherryCokeFanatic · 18/09/2023 15:23

You’re a doormat

gamerchick · 18/09/2023 15:18

nopainnogain1 · 17/09/2023 18:31

Okay. I can see I'm in a hiding to nowhere here. I'll make sure the kids never go near an establishment like Wetherspoons again. I'll tell this kid to go home and not come back. I'll prepare myself for a lifetime of drug addiction and alcohol abuse with my own DD. Thanks all.

The problem is you're not doing this kid a kindness. You're a sticking plaster for the poor buggers appalling parenting by her mother.

You should be ringing SS and giving them the facts, that this kid is being abandoned in your care.

Stop at least being a mug. Put locks on your bedroom door so she can't help herself to shit and make sure you get stuff back belonging to your kid.

She'll be a teen soon. Your life is going to get harder when you've got her full time.

ThereIbledit · 18/09/2023 15:18

Oh. I've read all your posts OP, and it reads like you enjoy the drama of the thread. I think you were only letting off steam and not looking for advice, and got advice. That's mumsnet for you isn't it.

I hope the kid will be okay. I'm glad she has somebody like you in her life, and I think you're going to have to be all aspects of the good parent figure to her - Including enforcing boundaries, like "Oi say goodbye properly before you leave, it's rude not to, and while you're at it I've washed your shorts, you need to change back into your own clothes before you go, don't take DD's home," and "I've told you not to use my shampoo. I meant it. If I have to lock my shampoo in a cupboard because I can't trust you when you come over we are going to have a much less pleasant and relaxed time when you're here. Don't push it.

actualpuffins · 18/09/2023 15:14

You can contact the mother but I doubt she'll do much. You don't want your DD to learn that being taken advantage of is acceptable so make sure she is able to say no to her friend if she wants to.

Yes, good point. I agree @Someoneonlyyouknow

Someoneonlyyouknow · 18/09/2023 15:12

I think you are trying to improve this child's life and that is admirable but she needs consistency and boundaries. Make it harder for her to access expensive stuff in your house (hide shampoo etc) and maybe set aside some clothes for her to 'borrow' if necessary - decent but not your daughter's newest things. Then you can wash her own clothes if you feel inclined. Reinforce tidying up after yourself and helping with family chores, ways in which people who share a home are respectful and supportive to each other.

You can contact the mother but I doubt she'll do much. You don't want your DD to learn that being taken advantage of is acceptable so make sure she is able to say no to her friend if she wants to.

actualpuffins · 18/09/2023 15:12

DD2 actually spends a lot of time round at her friends- we do have sleepovers at ours but not as often. He friend lives nearer the school so they end up back there a fair bit- I do speak to the other mum though and she is fine with it and I say her DD is welcome round at ours any time.

Herecomesthemoon · 18/09/2023 15:12

I was in a very similar position last year with 15/16 year old DD and new friend. She first came over on Christmas Day as she was on her own. After that it was most weekends and a large part of the summer holiday. I think my DD went there twice and I had to give them money for food then. She ate loads and borrowed clothes.
The friendship fell apart in the autumn when the other girl refused to return £10 my DD had left at her house.

actualpuffins · 18/09/2023 15:10

I'd keep letting her come over if it was really just about the towels and shampoo, and would just have a gentle word with her about that. Her mum sounds like a CF or certainly has some other issues going on. I'd just try and say hi to her mum sometimes if there is an occasion to.

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