To expect parents to try to keep children quiet on campsites early in the morning?

I think 'shrieking' makes a difference. No one should be allowing their child to shriek like that at any time, never mind early in the morning. People just don't seem to care anymore, anything for an easy life

Yes, I see what you are saying, it was certainly our friend's youngest modus operandi but what I was confused by was there was no correction, it was just supposed to be tolerated I think (which I managed to do by sitting on the roof top terrace and hiding, that slightly drowned it out)- that's why I wondered whether it was a new kind of parental technique, i.e there was a rationale behind not correcting them, something to do with self confidence or self esteem.

I don't allow them to shout and scream and as I said, I bring books and snacks etc when camping to keep DC quiet when they wake early. However, on certain mornings when DC wake up with the hump, there's not always anything you can do about it.

DD is sweet 99% of the time but if she gets in a mood it can take hours to shift it and in the meantime she's fairly noisy, despite best efforts at coaxing/bribing/stern talking tos etc.

Re PP saying kids have been permitted to be louder in last 15 years - I don't think they have, but I think society has become less tolerant of children. Led by the wfh trend and people expecting quiet all day every day because home is now a work environment.

I lived within hearing distance of a junior school playground about 16 years ago. This isn’t new.

may I suggest that your recollection may be somewhat biased.

Ahh well, I guess we know why you got out of the wrong side of the camp bed 😂

@ZeldaWillTellYourFortune oh yes, kids in the last 15 years have become different from any other children through history

I remember having a screaming phase as a child in the 90s, nothing new. Didn't you ever hear of Violet Elizabeth saying 'I'll scweam and scweam until I'm sthick' in the William stories?

@DoubleTequilaSunrise a sound that wouldn't wake the neighbours on either side of a brick wall in our terrace probaby would wake neighbours through a few sheets of canvas in a field.

They probably didn't. There has been some shift in the last 15 years or so where kids just non-verbally scream and screech for no reason. They are not communicating like human beings, but like animals.

It's beyond obnoxious.

I was discussing this with my DH and as our eldest is 16, we don't understand current parental techniques, it appears to be that other people give your children the boundaries now rather than the parents, is that a method now?

Surely though camping by its very nature, is an up with the Larks kind of holiday? I would think 8 am is quite late in that regard. I do understand though, went away with friends with young children, we have teenagers, spent thousands I'll never see again, to be woken every day with screaming over seemingly nothing, it wasn't even an upset child, just seemed to be what they did at 8 am. Cute kid though but I don't remember my two constantly doing this at 4 and 8!

Well said.

But yes, parents should pro-actively parent and encourage consideration - even on campsites. Camping is not some sort of reversion to a pre-civilisation feral state!

I've been camping 3 times this year and kids have not been allowed to racket around yelling before about 8, really. And life has been quiet - no noisy adults after 11 etc.

Events and festivals, it's probably harder. And why I don't camp under those conditions.

This tbh! When we go camping there are people making noise until 1am and the kids put up with it while they go to sleep (absolutely fine, people are on holiday and I'm not going to ask them to be quiet so my kids can sleep!). The flip side is the kids will be making noise at 7am when it gets light, because they're also on holiday 🤷🏻‍♀️

(NB I would draw the line at shrieking and ask them to be quiet, but I wouldnt make them stay silently inside the tent)

I have kids, their happiness is not linked to the amount of noise they generate on any level.

A lot of little kids deserve a chance to a peaceful morning, not being rudely awaken by some shrieking children who just need parents to tell them to be quiet.

How do you manage the rest of the year?

I genuinely don't understand these people who pretend to be at a loss on how to keep their kids quiet, surely you do it the same way you manage all the other times?

Can you imagine a primary school if the teachers were unable to maintain some basic discipline? Even pre-schools and nurseries handle young children and their "indoor voice", and to respect the times when the babies are asleep.

When it's your own kids, it's not that hard!

Sorry, YABU. All bets are off with camping ime.

which is why I don’t do it. That and an unacceptable trek to toilets!

If you weren't prepared to accept being told YABU, then why did you bother posting?

Personally I don't get upset by the sound of happy children, but maybe that is my character flaw...

How do you take them out of the way of sleeping people when you're in a field - driving often wakes people, you need to pack up etc? There isn't always anywhere to go

Depending on the size and shape of your tent and the nature of your child, even with the best will in the world it's not always easy to keep an excited 6 year old quiet for hours on end.

My kids wake early, I bring books and mags when camping to keep them quiet.

But to be honest, the last few times we've been camping there have been other people (with kids!) making noise so late in the night, I was tempted to send the kids to play noisily by their tent at 6am. Loads of people drinking, swearing, singing until past 1am.