To expect parents to try to keep children quiet on campsites early in the morning?

You've clearly never been camping and are writing from a place of complete ignorance.

It's really challenging to stay in bed after sunrise - not only is it completely light but the tent quickly gets very hot too - especially after the weekend we've just had.

It is completely normal to be up at 6:30 on a camping holiday.

I'd say both are unacceptable

To an extent yes. But when we were camping a couple of weeks ago we had the opposite problem of not being able to get them to sleep at night with those staying up later, mine are young, early to bed early to rise. Obviously I tried to keep them quiet in the morning but don’t think anyone tried to keep quiet in the evening! Think you have to expect noise regardless when camping unfortunately.

Amen

I hate the trend for "DIY festival" camping that's crept in in the past 15 years, but at night when it's dark and I'm tired, I've got some chance of sleep ahead of me. By 6am when it's light, it's game over on any chance of more sleep. It's not about who is making the excessive noise, it's the timing impact. Most campsites have an expectation of quiet between 10-11pm to 7am.

I've camped since having a 3 month old. There were some times in the toddler phase where we weren't confident in being able to camp with considerate levels of noise so used alternative accomodation like static caravans. My children aren't serene and placid, but they've also never been allowed to make excessive levels of noise freely, and especially not beyond the normal noise hours on a campsite.

The "well they made a lot of noise in the night, so we'll make a lot of noise in the morning" attitude just inflicts a double whammy of excessive noise onto the majority of reasonable campers. It also trains children not to consider their impact on others.

I wouldn't expect total peace on a campsite, but allowing children to make a full-blown racket at 6am is unreasonable and anti-social.

It's not
Campsites usually have guidelines for quiet times that cover late nights and early mornings

You do know most people don't wake up EARLIER on holidays than they do on school/work day don't you? 😂

on which planet is 6.30 am not early? You might be an awfully light sleeper, but it's not normal to be up at that time.

The few kids who do get up at dawn are the exception, not the rule, most normal parents don't try to make them sleep at 6pm 😂

Meh, i feel like at a campsite most anything goes. especially if kids or booze is involved. this wouldn't bother me but neither I nor anyone in my family sleep past 7 anyway.

I've probably spent more nights on campsites than most. It is taken as given to keep the noise to a minimum between 11pm and 8am on most sites. Some of the bigger sites even have security to ensure it.

A bit of consideration for everyone isn't unreasonable. From those having a weekend on the piss to families getting up at the crack of dawn.

Honestly yes, I do think they should have shushed them up a bit until a little bit later. Not expecting silence but still, it's 6.45 and shouting is not really needed.

I don't think OP is asking for the earth with that - just still 7.30 or 8 when most peolple ARE up.

I take ear plugs.

Oh for goodness sake. Yes 6.45 is early. That is why I don’t go camping. Because you can’t guarantee which type of parents you’ll be in a field with.

It’s pretty optimistic to go camping and expect it to be quiet until 8am…
I don’t think this has ever happened on any campsite I’ve ever been on. Why expect it? Ridiculous.

I mean there’s noise on my street outside from 7am. Noisy work can start at 7.30am. But campsites are quiet until 8am. Living in a dreamworld…

Well it's not a school day, is it? It's a weekend camping trip to an event in a field where you often get get woken up by the sunrise, which is before 6:30am. Add on the fact that many children do get up ridiculously early (you'd be an idiot if you've missed the threads here with parents asking for advice about their 430am rising child) and take away any of the other irrelevant things you've conjured up and you're left with quite a different story.

6.45 IS ridiculously early, and you know it.

None of my kids or their friends are even awake at 6:45 on a school day.

pretending it's normal and everyone should expect to be disturbed at that time on holiday is disingenuous at best.

Well on this occasion it reads like it was some form of festival. I'd suggest using your legs and walking to somewhere on site where there aren't sleeping people.

If it is just a field campsite in the middle of nowhere, then you need to investigate either ensuring your children are considerate of others. Or going somewhere where they can be taken out the way if they start making a racket at 6:30am.

No one is trying to ruin anything for other people. The only person trying anything is you, trying to misrepresent what others are saying.

seems this attitude explains it all.

Shame a few always try to ruin it for everybody else.

Yep. I think’suck it up’ springs to mind.

6.45 isn’t especially early

Camping in a crowded field is not a place to expect much sleep - some stay up late and you'll hear it, some wake early and you hear it.

Yanbu to hope for better parenting - or even some parenting - to keep dc quietish in the early morning.

Some campgrounds are very good on noise control. Look for those. Sorry you had a poor night.

I disagree. No other brits where I camped this year and there were loads of screeching kids up early. Outdone only by the hoards of shouty teenagers up late. 😬

We were camping next to a family with children and toddlers up to about age 6.
The noise started at about 5 am.
Every day.
We were there for 11 nights.

I don't think I said that it was. I just said that children being happy, even at a loud volume, doesn't bother me.

I am tolerant of children, I mean in certain contexts I think you may be right as many people are choosing not to have them. Where I live in the south east, they do not have enough intake for the in the next 4 years to keep some infant schools open. I think if you see children less their behaviour is quite a culture shock when you are not regularly around them. That said, isn't there an element of teaching your DC common courtesy.

There isn't a lot I'd agree with in how my parents parented but I will say, if we weren't adjusting our activities and volume appropriately to the fact that we were nearby to others, with noise travelling through thin fabric - let alone screaming - at 6:45am, we'd be warned two or three times and then the holiday would be over and we'd be taken home and told we could go again when we knew how to be considerate of other people. The same rules applied in any cafe, on a day out, etc. - behave considerately or you won't be engaging in that activity until such time as you can do so without unnecessarily/unreasonably disturbing others.

However harsh it seems, that I agree with. Children are still learning and developing, absolutely, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be taught to be considerate of others and specific circumstances by the time they're 6-9, other factors or needs excluded. Most established campsites have rules about being quiet in a certain timeframe (I've yet to see one than ends as early as 6:45 personally), and imo people should familiarise themselves and act accordingly.

YANBU, but not everyone is going to set and maintain boundaries with their kids properly.

Except it's not is it? Most campsites have a time when you need to keep it down.