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Just read the bloody uniform policy!!!

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flingoringo · 06/09/2023 15:10

I've just read an article about a school in Gateshead where lots of kids were sent home or out in isolation on day one of term because they were wearing the wrong shoes. The offending shoes seem to be mainly a Vivienne Westwood ballet flat (with a big silver VW emblem on the front) and a Nike walking boots. Lots of kids wearing the same, from yr7 to yr11.
Parents are up in arms, obviously. One mentions the CoL crisis so the need to scrimp and save to spend A HUNDRED QUID on the Nike shoes. One mum said her yr7 daughter won't be going back she's finding her a new school.

The school (taken over by an academy in 2019) says the policy is clear, plain black shoes with no logos. That they have done their best to help yr6 parents understand what was to be expected once on yr7.

Now I don't necessarily agree with schools being overly strict with uniform policy. But I do accept that I have to agree to follow the rules at the schools that I chose to send my kids to and if we chose not to then of course they'll be consequences.

AIBU to think it's it's completely ridiculous that this happens every bloody year?!

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Soontobe60 · 06/09/2023 17:51

MariaVT65 · 06/09/2023 15:25

I find the whole thing ridiculous. As long as they are safe, any shoe should be worn IMO. There are enough news articles right now about kids not attending school. Making this worse over something silly is stupid.

My son isn’t at school yet, but he has to wear orthotic insoles which means I have to find him shoes where I can easily take the existing insole out. The rules out all of Clarks. So he will be sent in whatever I can find and what’s comfortable, and the school will suck it up.

I wear orthotics, as do many many people. I have absolutely no problem getting a wide variety of shoes for all occasions that fit my insoles.

Carpediemmakeitcount · 06/09/2023 17:50

It's not that hard to follow the rules they are going to school not a cat walk.

Sueveneers · 06/09/2023 17:50

GraysPapaya · 06/09/2023 17:47

In the work place we have to follow rules, parents can’t look after precious little Jayden when he’s out in work and wants a wage.

School is the place to learn you need to wear what you’re told. It helps make everyone equal, and is a good foundation for broader discipline. I for one am glad of uniform and feel sorry for teachers having to deal with parents who are sometimes worse than the kids.

Agreed. There are some really rough and trashy parents who don't bring their children up properly. The parents have no standards and the children never had a chance.

Sueveneers · 06/09/2023 17:49

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 06/09/2023 17:47

A puncture wound is a puncture wound, wherever on the body it is. As I said, double standards, and willing to use violent injuring force on a child to impose said double standards.

No it is not a double standard at all because piercings are for ears (barring religious/cultural reasons). That's it. Period. End of story.

Tinkerbyebye · 06/09/2023 17:48

YANBU

Chippy4me · 06/09/2023 17:48

My DD has autism and sensory issues and it can be a challenge finding uniform but I do not let her go to school in trainers or shoes with logos on, as that is deliberately breaking the rules.

What I find funny though and it used to happen regularly as a tutor, is that these parents say they can’t afford new shoes and have a go at you for it yet the shoes their kid is wearing are really expensive and I couldn’t afford to buy them.

Uniform is there for a reason.
I do think it should be flexible but only to a certain point.
If it’s no trainers then don’t wear trainers, if it’s no logos then don’t wear logos etc.

It’s very obvious why there are so many teens that are entitled and don’t follow the rules and it’s because of their parents who somehow think the rules don’t apply to them and their kid.

GraysPapaya · 06/09/2023 17:47

In the work place we have to follow rules, parents can’t look after precious little Jayden when he’s out in work and wants a wage.

School is the place to learn you need to wear what you’re told. It helps make everyone equal, and is a good foundation for broader discipline. I for one am glad of uniform and feel sorry for teachers having to deal with parents who are sometimes worse than the kids.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 06/09/2023 17:47

Sueveneers · 06/09/2023 17:45

Piercings go in ears (with the exception of some religions/cultures), not noses or tongues.

A puncture wound is a puncture wound, wherever on the body it is. As I said, double standards, and willing to use violent injuring force on a child to impose said double standards.

Sueveneers · 06/09/2023 17:45

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 06/09/2023 17:43

Do you feel the same about ear piercings? If not, why not? Because that would be what I call "having double standards".

I'd probably rip it out of them myself.

So consensual nose piercings bad, assault and ABH on a child good? OK... Hmm

Piercings go in ears (with the exception of some religions/cultures), not noses or tongues.

Truemilk · 06/09/2023 17:44

The parents should have read the uniform policy carefully and bought the correct items. If they didn't like the uniform policy they didn't have to send their kids there.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 06/09/2023 17:43

Sueveneers · 06/09/2023 17:39

I think the policy banning them is very necessary. I cannot imagine what sort of 'school' would allow nose piercings. Probably in a very rough area, but not one I'd want my child to attend. And I as a parent would never allow a nose piercing, I'd probably rip it out of them myself.

Do you feel the same about ear piercings? If not, why not? Because that would be what I call "having double standards".

I'd probably rip it out of them myself.

So consensual nose piercings bad, assault and ABH on a child good? OK... Hmm

liveforsummer · 06/09/2023 17:43

Sidslaw · 06/09/2023 15:12

ballet flats are a ridiculous choice for school, no protection, and severely limiting in playground games

Tbf I don't see many high school kids running around playing tig. Lots wear ballet flats although I agree they aren't the best but it's not as bad as for primary.

Rosscameasdoody · 06/09/2023 17:43

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 06/09/2023 17:14

I live disabled. So believe me when I tell you that disabled people face a double burden: the disability itself, and the constant asking for reasonable adjustments, many of which wouldn't have to be asked for if stuff was designed inclusive in the first place. School uniforms are an example of something that could be designed inclusive in the first place. And it affects Black children and religious minority children as well as disabled ones. How recently was it that DfE had to write to schools reminding them that hair policies shouldn't be racist?

I’ve been in a wheelchair most of my life so believe me I live the life too. You can’t expect everything in life to be designed with disability in mind. It’s only 60 years since we were all expected to be institutionalised, and if not, sit quietly in the corner and accept what you were given.

I’m a child of the 60’s and my parents had to fight for me to be accepted in mainstream school. Despite an above average intelligence the LA wanted me to go to a special school where I would have had no formal education - essentially I would have been schooled along with other physically and mentally disabled children and mostly played with toys all day. Thankfully they won the fight and I didn’t look back. In employment I faced discrimination every day. One look at the chair and the disability and I didn’t get the job - the excuse was always the same, that I wouldn’t ‘cope’. Until one enlightened employer gave me a chance, and again, I never looked back.

I’ve also worked in the benefits system and volunteered as a benefits adviser with disability charities. You only have to look at the contempt in society (encouraged by government) for recipients of disability benefits and the general apathy towards the hardships caused by recent welfare reforms to know that UK society doesn’t design anything with disability in the forefront of their minds. The Equality Act was supposed to guarantee access to public buildings for wheelchair users. It doesn’t, and because people don’t advocate for their rights, nothing is done. I’ve been refused entry into various public buildings because the chair is a ‘fire hazard’. The EA makes this illegal but it still happens.

Thankfully we’re a lot further forward now in a lot of respects, but there’s a long way to go and ‘pick your battles’ comes to mind. The Equality Act has enshrined disability rights in law and to my mind reasonable adjustment is a good tool for ensuring that someone’s disability doesn’t leave them at a disadvantage. But for it to be effective, it has to be adhered to, and from what people are posting here, schools are making it difficult for parents to access their legal rights, and that needs to be addressed.

jlpth · 06/09/2023 17:42

My kids are going back in last term's shoes!

jlpth · 06/09/2023 17:42

I just can't get past the "cost of living" vs 100 pound nike or vivienne westwood shoes. Crazy. Amazon have plenty of school shoes under 20 quid, some under 10 quid. What is the matter with people?

CecilyP · 06/09/2023 17:40

AInightingale · 06/09/2023 17:00

Schools have to think about safety hence the shoe rules, staircases are hazardous places with loads of kids on them. The NIKE mother could have saved herself over £50 by going to Clarks - no sympathy, sorry.

Surely Nike trainers are just as safe as other shoes. Flip flops and crocs not so much!

Sueveneers · 06/09/2023 17:39

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 06/09/2023 17:34

I can recognise that getting the piercing so late was poor planning and at the same time believe that the policy banning them is unnecessary.

I think the policy banning them is very necessary. I cannot imagine what sort of 'school' would allow nose piercings. Probably in a very rough area, but not one I'd want my child to attend. And I as a parent would never allow a nose piercing, I'd probably rip it out of them myself.

StaunchMomma · 06/09/2023 17:39

@Itwasntmeguv

We must live close by. guv - I too live in a village near to the town/school so saw the post she made on Facebook with the jewellery petition.

I didn't agree with her stance either.

JenniferBooth · 06/09/2023 17:39

@fliptopbin that is disgusting and pure bullying from the school No wonder these schools dont want to sort bullying issues out when they are doing it themselves!

Goldbar · 06/09/2023 17:39

Sueveneers · 06/09/2023 17:38

Thankfully much of civilised society doesn't have the low standards Canada and particularly America has. To me it's just more proof how tacky, trashy and low standards America is. It's nothing to boast about. It's something to be ashamed about.

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Livinginanotherworld · 06/09/2023 17:38

HejLittleAppleBlossom · 06/09/2023 15:51

What is completely bloody ridiculous is that we live in a society where folk have been conditioned to believe that these uniform policies, and the literally insane sanctions posed on children because of the policies are normal. This is not a uniform policy, is is a way to control people, and not for their own good, make no mistake.

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Precipice · 06/09/2023 17:38

Sueveneers · 06/09/2023 17:29

There's nothing unjust about having a rule of no nose piercing. That is standard almost everywhere.

What it teaches is that children and parents don't have to take responsibility. They don't have to plan appropriately, or think ahead. That girl had been in high school for a couple of years, she MUST HAVE known nose piercings are not acceptable. Getting a nose piercing two weeks before school starts shows a profound lack of planning.

Getting the nose piercing was silly. I'll agree there.

My comment was in response to the comment on people signing the petition. They're signing to say that they think the rule is stupid and should be removed. They're expressing civil opposition to a rule they consider to be unreasonable. This is perfectly standard behaviour and a good model for the adolescents.

The issue of the nose piercing in itself and the issue of petitions going around about the appropriateness of uniform rules are two separate issues.

Sueveneers · 06/09/2023 17:38

mathanxiety · 06/09/2023 17:32

Nose piercings are standard where I live, as are all sorts of hairstyles and colours, facial hair, etc. The students whose noses are pierced, with the blue hair and the nail polish and even the odd tattoo are also welcome in Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc. Funny that.

Thankfully much of civilised society doesn't have the low standards Canada and particularly America has. To me it's just more proof how tacky, trashy and low standards America is. It's nothing to boast about. It's something to be ashamed about.

Livinginanotherworld · 06/09/2023 17:37

Whatever happened to good old Clark’s and Start Rite school shoes. £100 Vivienne Westwood ffs ! Ridiculous. If everyone stuck to the uniform list properly there would be no bullying and showing off with clothes and shoes, they’d all be wearing the same. It’s not really difficult is it ? God help all these little darlings in the real world of work ?

Annaishere · 06/09/2023 17:35

Yeah it’s maybe schools enforcing a rule they haven’t bothered to before

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