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Just read the bloody uniform policy!!!

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flingoringo · 06/09/2023 15:10

I've just read an article about a school in Gateshead where lots of kids were sent home or out in isolation on day one of term because they were wearing the wrong shoes. The offending shoes seem to be mainly a Vivienne Westwood ballet flat (with a big silver VW emblem on the front) and a Nike walking boots. Lots of kids wearing the same, from yr7 to yr11.
Parents are up in arms, obviously. One mentions the CoL crisis so the need to scrimp and save to spend A HUNDRED QUID on the Nike shoes. One mum said her yr7 daughter won't be going back she's finding her a new school.

The school (taken over by an academy in 2019) says the policy is clear, plain black shoes with no logos. That they have done their best to help yr6 parents understand what was to be expected once on yr7.

Now I don't necessarily agree with schools being overly strict with uniform policy. But I do accept that I have to agree to follow the rules at the schools that I chose to send my kids to and if we chose not to then of course they'll be consequences.

AIBU to think it's it's completely ridiculous that this happens every bloody year?!

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MariaVT65 · 07/09/2023 11:19

PinkCherryBlossoms · 07/09/2023 11:16

It isn't picky in the slightest, no. There's a substantial gulf between the claim that nobody who has an office job is allowed flip flops and someone saying in their personal and by definition limited experience it hasn't been allowed.

I don't disagree with the rest though.

Fine, it’s the way you are commenting about my posts though, but not directly to me. Clearly not all offices give a shit, I hold my hands up. But wow.

midgemadgemodge · 07/09/2023 11:17

Not having expensive logo shoes is hardly ridiculous rule though !

PinkCherryBlossoms · 07/09/2023 11:16

MariaVT65 · 07/09/2023 11:05

Jesus Christ. Picky much?

My personal experience is that offices don’t allow staff to wear flip flops due to safety, especially if a staff member would walk up and down stairs in them. Work places can be held liable if a member of staff has an accident like that, so as far as I was aware, it was sensible to back themselves up and for general safety. Just the same as as how you’re not supposed to wear flip flops while driving. Whether people pull staff up on it is a different matter. I personally love flip flops but I can also understand why that office rule has been there.

Anyway, the point is, schools go too far with their shoe rules and don’t reflect most jobs. Just let people be comfortable but safe.

It isn't picky in the slightest, no. There's a substantial gulf between the claim that nobody who has an office job is allowed flip flops and someone saying in their personal and by definition limited experience it hasn't been allowed.

I don't disagree with the rest though.

Sayitaintso33 · 07/09/2023 11:11

Children will only grow into rule-respecting adults if the majority of the rules they are expected to follow are sound and sensible.

The more ridiculous rules forced onto children, the more children will think rules are foolish.

HauntedPencil · 07/09/2023 11:09

Uniform or not there will always be the flashy ones - it'll be the bag or the coat or the PE trainers and VW ballet flats @ £100 are surely not common. And what kid would even recognise that?

bluejumping · 07/09/2023 11:07

I think some PP totally miss the point

Not eveyone can afford VW shoes for their teen/tween so that's why they have this rule

Imagine being the one in Sainos mary janes and all your mates are rocking the designer and expensive pumps

LolaSmiles · 07/09/2023 11:05

Blame the parents for that. They chose to send them to school wearing the incorrect uniform.
I agree. The parents giving the sad face in the local press are always keen to talk about missed learning and how much they care about learning, but they clearly didn't care that much because they're more bothered about ignoring simple rules and buying their children designer ballet flats than school uniform.

DoItAgainPlz I agree with you on the dark grey Vs charcoal grey. That level of inspecting is unreasonable to me. Just say dark grey and be done with it as long as they're quite clearly a pair of darker grey school trousers. There's always some difference between M&S, Asda, Next, John Lewis etc.

MariaVT65 · 07/09/2023 11:05

PinkCherryBlossoms · 07/09/2023 10:43

Yeah, people are certainly allowed to claim that office workers per se can't wear flip flops. But it'll be bollocks.

Jesus Christ. Picky much?

My personal experience is that offices don’t allow staff to wear flip flops due to safety, especially if a staff member would walk up and down stairs in them. Work places can be held liable if a member of staff has an accident like that, so as far as I was aware, it was sensible to back themselves up and for general safety. Just the same as as how you’re not supposed to wear flip flops while driving. Whether people pull staff up on it is a different matter. I personally love flip flops but I can also understand why that office rule has been there.

Anyway, the point is, schools go too far with their shoe rules and don’t reflect most jobs. Just let people be comfortable but safe.

DoItAgainPlz · 07/09/2023 11:04

usernother · 07/09/2023 10:56

Blame the parents for that. They chose to send them to school wearing the incorrect uniform.

But the kids shouldn't have to suffer in the first instance.

If it's happening every day and it's one or two kids then fair enough.

But they should be given the kindness of being allowed them to settle in the first few days.

Sending 100+ hungry kids home isn't an intelligent solution to this problem.

bluejumping · 07/09/2023 11:02

Vivienne westwood for young school kids?

Idiots.

DoItAgainPlz · 07/09/2023 11:01

My school had a rule that trousers had to be dark grey, and certainly NOT charcoal or black.

I have never looked at a pair of school trousers and taken any notice of the colour. Nor do I think it particularly offensive to wear charcoal instead of dark grey. I personally can't tell the difference.

There are different shades of grey as it is if you're buying from different shops, and as this was before internet shopping really took off, it meant traipsing around different towns and cities to find some which were both in stock and which were well fitting.

They also checked socks too - which couldn't be seen under the trousers. They had to be dark grey. Who cares if they're grey, black or navy?! You can't see them. I appreciate having a rule against white socks or trainer socks, but lining everyone up and sending a threatening letter home because someone's sock had a stripe at the top or was slightly off colour is and was ridiculous.

usernother · 07/09/2023 10:56

DoItAgainPlz · 07/09/2023 10:48

I think it's wrong that these kids are sent home or have to spend the day sitting alone in a room.

Particularly if they're just starting that school and it's the first day.

Blame the parents for that. They chose to send them to school wearing the incorrect uniform.

DoItAgainPlz · 07/09/2023 10:48

I think it's wrong that these kids are sent home or have to spend the day sitting alone in a room.

Particularly if they're just starting that school and it's the first day.

Spreadbed · 07/09/2023 10:48

CecilyP · 07/09/2023 10:46

I’ve just had a look at the link and it says no pumps while the illustration of an acceptable girls shoe looks remarkably like a pump a (albeit with a thick sole).

That’s the wrong school.

Spreadbed · 07/09/2023 10:47

That’s the wrong school.

CecilyP · 07/09/2023 10:46

sashh · 07/09/2023 07:57

A link might be useful OP.

I’ve just had a look at the link and it says no pumps while the illustration of an acceptable girls shoe looks remarkably like a pump a (albeit with a thick sole).

HauntedPencil · 07/09/2023 10:45

I don't see the relevance of what is worn in court/an office/ anyway.

Kids have their lifetimes to have to dress up if they have to, I really don't see the necessity to spend their school careers dressed like it. Give them something cool and comfortable like polos.

They don't need to wear a blazer for 6 years to "get used to it" bonkers/

PinkCherryBlossoms · 07/09/2023 10:43

Yeah, people are certainly allowed to claim that office workers per se can't wear flip flops. But it'll be bollocks.

HauntedPencil · 07/09/2023 10:43

During an assembly (always this time of year) being asked to wear them and stand with arms crossed.

Maybe it'll help them decide to have careers you don't have to have fussy clothes for!

CecilyP · 07/09/2023 10:42

MariaVT65 · 07/09/2023 09:23

I can say whatever I like matey ;)

And yes, at the companies i’ve worked at, if someone is caught wearing flip flops, they are told not to wear them again for safety reasons.

What I do wear to the office is converse, because they are a safe and comfortable shoe. No one cares because I get my work done and what i wear doesn’t impact the quality of my work or my behaviour.

Obviously, you can say what you want! I was just pointing out that you were wrong. Not every office is like your office.

LolaSmiles · 07/09/2023 10:41

Blazers are a ridiculous idea anyway.Uncomfortable, expensive, anachronistic.
I agree.
When I've worked in schools with blazers I've always said in the first lesson that in my classroom students can take them on and off as required and to consider that any permission that's required for the whole year.

PinkCherryBlossoms · 07/09/2023 10:38

ArabeIIaScott · 07/09/2023 10:33

Blazers are a ridiculous idea anyway. Uncomfortable, expensive, anachronistic.

It is pretty stupid that they've become more common during a period when working wear has become less fusty and pointless.

ArabeIIaScott · 07/09/2023 10:33

Blazers are a ridiculous idea anyway. Uncomfortable, expensive, anachronistic.

CecilyP · 07/09/2023 10:32

Pottedpalm · 07/09/2023 08:38

At DT’s kindergarten children had a smock which they wore over their clothes so they could play with sand/water/paint etc and uniform stayed clean. They were all toilet trained by 3.

So what was the point of a uniform if they were wearing a smock over it?

ArabeIIaScott · 07/09/2023 10:32

HauntedPencil · 07/09/2023 10:30

Totally agree - they should be able to take them off in lessons if they are too hot. We've had kids actually faint with heat.

You can follow the rules without being pedantic to the point that kids are overheating like this.

There are guidelines on safe temperatures for classrooms - iirc 28 degrees is considered unacceptable .. I think that's the WHO who set that guideline. We've had a couple of 30 degree days this year. There are thermometers in the classes.