Young men hating women

Op I think you have a point, to a degree, but and here's the but...there was a post on mn this morning from a woman who was ttc. Her partner brother has got his fairly new girlfriend pregnant. Naturally she was upset. Her partner tried to console her but started playing on his Xbox.

Not one response that I read said anything about the fact the man could be struggling to. He was called all the names under the sun. She was told not to have children with him.

The point I am making is that young men see lots of social media where women are as bad as men. In the post I've mentioned, there was no consideration for the man.

I'm binge watching hells kitchen. They split the contestants into 2 teams male and female. In season 4 the female team openly say that they will use their femininity to split the male team...the next scene is the women in skimpy bikinis in the hot tub trying to get certain men to join them.

So young men see this. They hear some of the crap that certain influencers spout and ....

My son is 29 and for the most part respectful of women as are most of his peers. Myself and my late Mum had a lot of influence in his life, obviously. My ExH who was his step-father from the age of three, was forever undermining us in very subtle ways while claiming to be pro-feminist. For example, encouraging DS to hide (serious) risk taking behaviour from us, which we could have helped him with, giving the message that we would over-react etc. He liked to play the “all boys together” card, and imply we were unqualified to understand cos “women”.

Which is part of the reason he’s my Ex.

Fortunately, aside from the odd “Karen” references, which I nipped in the bud sharpish, DS is a good egg. Or appears to be, and I haven’t heard anything otherwise from any quarter.

I’m not a man hater by any stretch, but younger men do seem more hostile these days. I’ve confronted a few local lads who on one occasion squirted a drink over my shop window while looking me straight in the eyes above his edgy mask, and on another “borrowed” one of the chairs outside my shop which I had to retrieve and got pelted with sweets for my trouble.

On both occasions I went ballistic at them, and fortunately I’ve had no more trouble. I think they don’t expect to be challenged by middle aged women- since I was widowed last year I have no fucks left to give, and I won’t stand for it.

I've noticed it. In my bubble at work it's easy - I think education has always been an easier place for women to be. Definitely when I'm outside work I've noticed the shift though. I think it's to do with the fact that some of the red pill movement Haa become more mainstream in the past couple of years. Most people have heard of Andrew Tate but there are a lot of really negative influences taking up space.

I don't think it's a majority, and I don't think it's any better or worse than it was when I was young. The difference is that we didn't have the internet or social media. If you go looking for it, you'll find it.

My ds 29 and his mates are nothing like your description.

We are rolling backwards and gaining pace.

The attitudes and behaviour I deal with in the boardroom/work space from young, inexperienced men is really astonishing.

I agree OP. A few years ago I was chatting to a housemate in his mid 20s who I generally get on well with. I brought something up I’d seen in the news that negatively impacted women’s rights at the time - not in a confrontational way, just because I valued his opinion. I was very surprised when his frankly waspish reply that as a white cis het male he was at the bottom of the pile and implied that women are over run with privilege. And it was done in a quite “putting me in my place” tone. We’re still friends to a degree but I absolutely avoid controversial subjects now.

I think there’s a bit of a spectrum with the likes of Jordan Peterson and his big words at one end and Andrew Tate at the other.It is definitely escalating in some quarters.

I speak with large numbers of young men (under 26) for my job, and haven’t come across this at all. Quite the opposite compared to my own experiences in the eighties when I was young.

So true. It was a revelation to me to see how many women really hate men. And from a generation that have more rights than any previous one.

Agree - also my experience.

Wow, what a persuasive discussion point you have put forward.

Well to be honest if any young men accidentally read Mumsnet they would think all women hate men. There are some dreadful anti men opinions on Mumsnet.

Look at some of the examples young men have. Several high profile footballers (look at two at Manchester United as examples), some male musicians, a few film stars, and a recent Prime Minister and former US President.

YANBU at all

So your basing your opinion based mainly on men and boys that are online and projecting that on to all males using your already prejudiced views.

Hell if that is what you project is it any wonder that is what you get back.

YANBU

And sadly it’s not just young men, it’s the older one’s too.
So many married men, with kids tuly hates women, makes me sad to think about their wiwes/girlfriends and worrying about the children they are raising.

Off note a bit: when it comes to sexism/misogyny, women are so worried/checking out that the man does chores and knows about emotional labour and what not. But them totally gloss over porn/strip clubs etc, often just giggle how all men are at it.
The blidness to this is stunning to me.

We have much to thank the USA for as well, but Social Media and the accompanying social mores definitely owes a lot to US cultural norms and the freer expression that accrues from constitutional rights to "free speech" being interpreted much more rigorously than we were previously used to.
This was pointed out to me by a friend from the USA.

I totally disagree. I work with young adults. This is not my experience in fact quite the opposite

What do you mean?

Yes, incels, their behaviour turns women and girls against them but they can't see it and it makes them worse. No one is entitled to sex but this seems to be their mantra, I can't get a shag and women are slags.
I despair for young women these days.