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Young men hating women

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Maatandosiris · 05/09/2023 16:52

Something I’ve been noticing is that young men (say under 30) are becoming increasingly misogynistic. Not in the old fashioned dirty old man way but very aggressively trying to take away women’s voices. Anything they can do to undermine you they will, whether it’s criticising politics, eating habits, looks, viewpoints. Any excuse to undermine women they jump on it (aided and abetted by some women I should add)

AIBU to wonder whether all the fighting for rights and equality has been pointless and young girls generally seem content to be treated like shit to the point I’m not sure many actually see the threat. How the hell did we get here? In the past week I’ve had a man gaslight me and try and undermine me in a discussion as a “rebel” for quoting the suffragettes, had a bunch of blokes gang up on me and chuck me off a forum for saying transrights need balancing with women’s rights followed by inaccurate allegations and ignored on a discussion simply because I was female. Not long ago I was told that the way to make things more female friendly was to make them less academic

We literally seem to be reverting back to women make yourself look pretty whilst listening to the views of the oh so intelligent men.

AIBU to think in20 years time women’s rights are going to dead unless women, inc young women start standing up to be counted.

OP posts:
User135644 · 06/09/2023 12:48

A lot of Andrew Tate bros out there.

yeahthisisit · 06/09/2023 12:47

AnObserverInThisDarkWorld · 06/09/2023 11:21

They are one of the worst for posting vile comments about men tbh

MNers posting double standards are part of the problem because they give ammunition for those men who are looking for reasons to shut women down

"Look. We gave women a voice and they're turning on us. Beware"

Have you really not seen how men talk about women?

Perhaps men should stop their misogynystic thinking, abusing women, raping women, killing women….

Why aren’t you worried about that?

’Misandry’ isin’t a thing. Women have never oppressed men.

SerafinasGoose · 06/09/2023 12:38

Sueveneers · 06/09/2023 11:25

Oh the irony! You are one of the worst not just for posting vile, hateful anti-women comments, but stalking and abuse.

"Look. We gave women a voice and they're turning on us. Beware"

That's your mindset alright. Vile.

Edited

Isn't it just.

WOMEN gave women a voice.

Needmorelego · 06/09/2023 12:05

@SerafinasGoose no problem 🙂

SerafinasGoose · 06/09/2023 11:56

Needmorelego · 06/09/2023 11:50

@SerafinasGoose yes my comment was meant to be light-hearted.

Ah, sorry! I will remove the Po-Face forthwith ... 😷

Needmorelego · 06/09/2023 11:50

@SerafinasGoose yes my comment was meant to be light-hearted.

SerafinasGoose · 06/09/2023 11:39

Well to be honest if any young men accidentally read Mumsnet they would think all women hate men. There are some dreadful anti men opinions on Mumsnet.

That is a joke, isn't it? Likely as not, even on threads where women are reporting terrible mistreatment and abuse at the hands of men, the inevitable posts will appear (usually within about the first 20 messages) cajoling her to consider the feelings of the men, downplaying the abuse as not really being that bad, that even if it is, she must be in some way to blame, etc., etc., ad nauseam.

Such attitudes are tedious in the extreme and constant blame women for their own exploitation and abuse (the recent 'why did you have a baby with him?' thread points very eloquently to precisely this issue).

So: either women are perfectly willing to stand as agents for The Patriarchy, to denigrate women and to big up men at their expense, or the site is constantly being infiltrated by MRA types who otherwise wouldn't have the smallest interest in a site mostly populated by women or women's issues, or both.

'Men accidentally reading Mumsnet'. Yeah, right. 😂

Sueveneers · 06/09/2023 11:26

BigFatLiar · 06/09/2023 11:19

You should join mumsnet.

Is there another version of mumsnet that I don't know about?

Sueveneers · 06/09/2023 11:25

AnObserverInThisDarkWorld · 06/09/2023 11:21

They are one of the worst for posting vile comments about men tbh

MNers posting double standards are part of the problem because they give ammunition for those men who are looking for reasons to shut women down

"Look. We gave women a voice and they're turning on us. Beware"

Oh the irony! You are one of the worst not just for posting vile, hateful anti-women comments, but stalking and abuse.

"Look. We gave women a voice and they're turning on us. Beware"

That's your mindset alright. Vile.

AnObserverInThisDarkWorld · 06/09/2023 11:21

BigFatLiar · 06/09/2023 11:19

You should join mumsnet.

They are one of the worst for posting vile comments about men tbh

MNers posting double standards are part of the problem because they give ammunition for those men who are looking for reasons to shut women down

"Look. We gave women a voice and they're turning on us. Beware"

BigFatLiar · 06/09/2023 11:19

Sueveneers · 06/09/2023 11:05

And 'Misandry' isn't even a real thing. I've never come across a man-hater in my life. Reacting to men hating women and just wanting to hold onto some rights, does not mean we 'hate' men. That's preposterous.

You should join mumsnet.

Whatswhatwhichiswhich · 06/09/2023 11:18

I don’t see this viewpoint from young men at all. I do see loads and loads of men in their 40s+ doing this though. Especially in the comments sections of a woman’s post if she’s daring to do something they deem masculine.

Sueveneers · 06/09/2023 11:09

AnObserverInThisDarkWorld · 06/09/2023 11:06

You said men aren't at risk from women

Which is the biggest load of BS and ignorance

98% of all violence is by men. So stop this 'women are a risk to men' bullshit!!

Sueveneers · 06/09/2023 11:08

AnObserverInThisDarkWorld · 06/09/2023 11:05

I wish there was a block feature on MN

I'm not getting into the same argument with you again

You are one of the misandrists and make it easier for incels to stir up misogyny with your blatant double standards

So do I so you would stop stalking me. I am not a 'misandrist'. You are one of the biggest, vile, and poisonous misogynists there is.

Sueveneers · 06/09/2023 11:07

AnObserverInThisDarkWorld · 06/09/2023 11:06

You said men aren't at risk from women

Which is the biggest load of BS and ignorance

Oh, so women routinely rape men, do they? 3 men a week are murdered by women, are they?

You speak the biggest load of misogynistic ignorance and BS.

AnObserverInThisDarkWorld · 06/09/2023 11:06

Sueveneers · 06/09/2023 11:04

Men in mens toilets and spaces don't affect men. Men in womens toilets and spaces affect women. Even women in mens toilets and spaces don't affect men because men aren't at risk from women. So, ONLY women are affected. Never the reverse.

You said men aren't at risk from women

Which is the biggest load of BS and ignorance

AnObserverInThisDarkWorld · 06/09/2023 11:05

I wish there was a block feature on MN

I'm not getting into the same argument with you again

You are one of the misandrists and make it easier for incels to stir up misogyny with your blatant double standards

Sueveneers · 06/09/2023 11:05

And 'Misandry' isn't even a real thing. I've never come across a man-hater in my life. Reacting to men hating women and just wanting to hold onto some rights, does not mean we 'hate' men. That's preposterous.

Sueveneers · 06/09/2023 11:04

AnObserverInThisDarkWorld · 06/09/2023 10:59

Which aren't even JUST affecting women

Men in mens toilets and spaces don't affect men. Men in womens toilets and spaces affect women. Even women in mens toilets and spaces don't affect men because men aren't at risk from women. So, ONLY women are affected. Never the reverse.

Sueveneers · 06/09/2023 11:02

Ah, the men-sympathisers and controller-apologisists are out in force...

AnObserverInThisDarkWorld · 06/09/2023 10:59

BIossomtoes · 06/09/2023 10:35

So that’s the best you can manage? Toilets.

Which aren't even JUST affecting women

MidnightOnceMore · 06/09/2023 10:59

Maatandosiris · 06/09/2023 10:40

Oh I know plenty of men in the real world, like I said upthread most of my friends are male. I generally get on better with men. But naturally most are of a similar age to me. So I come across younger men mainly online through mutual interests. There I have noticed a big difference in attitudes depending on ages.

The difference is you know RL men your age, and only SM men who are younger.

You're drawing the wrong conclusion IMO.

Undoubtedly there is some backlash against feminism, but I don't think it is just young men, and there are many great young men.

AnObserverInThisDarkWorld · 06/09/2023 10:58

Ahh let's bring transrights into this and claim it'd men that are at fault 😒

I agree that MN could easily give the impression that all women hate men. There's some vile things like men with MH issues using them to control women, men who can't perform sexually should be dumped, it's ok to control men's money etc. Huge double standards a lot of the time

And the problem is that quotes from MN getting into incel spaces can fuel the fire, so to speak. "Look what women think of us".

There's certainly a rise in certain types of misogyny in some spheres but I'd say there's equally a rise in misandry in other spheres.

And women certainly don't have it worse than they did 50 years ago, wtf?

Sueveneers · 06/09/2023 10:54

MrsSkylerWhite · 06/09/2023 10:37

Not our experience of our 20 year old and his friends/our son in law or nephews.

Get off SM.

OR, maybe social media allows these men to show what they really feel on social media behind a keyboard and that's when the real them comes out.

Sueveneers · 06/09/2023 10:52

BIossomtoes · 06/09/2023 10:35

So that’s the best you can manage? Toilets.

You don't seem to understand. It's about safeguarding. It's about privacy. It's about dignity. And it affects all spaces; toilets, changerooms, womens shelters. Even the right to have a female only doctor. It affects absolutely every aspect of society.

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