Young men hating women

Again online posts are not really representative of a cross setion of men. It will also depend on which forum you are on at the time. As several others have said. There is a higher than average posts here on Mumsnet that are contradictory about what is acceptable male behaviour or female.

Rewis
You will also have heard the way some Women talk about men when in a group.

Regarding the unisex toilets thing. Personally i'd rather see seperate facilities too. As it removes the opportunity of any false allegations and as such protects me as well.

Sueveneers
Misandry isn't a real thing? Why is there a word for it then? Most normal Men want exactly the same respect and rights as Women and vice versa.

yeahthisisit
The definition of misandry is an ingrained prejudice of men. There are sadly people out there that behave like that.

Incel movement, mainly unattractive young men both physically and emotionally who want to return to a time when women had zero rights. Men like this have always existed but now they can find each other online. So X in the USA can chat to Y in the UK with Z in mainland Europe also chiming in about how awful women are. It means involuntary celibates. It’s one of the massive negatives of online life. It’s a dangerous movement that has been linked to murder it’s misogyny on steroids.

It’s not your regular sexism the sort of jokey women can’t drive very well shite that my now dead sexist FIL used to come out with, it’s a deep hatred. Just like there are some absolute man haters. I personally find I like or dislike people based on them as individuals, it’s not based on gender though I never wonder if a woman is going to rape or murder me if I’m walking somewhere alone and am approached. So I am more wary of men. That’s the problem the ones that are dangerous don’t walk about with a sign.

I don't know if it's been mentioned, but there's a book 'Men who hate women ' which explores this topic.

Totally fed up of every discussion about men and women being hijacked by the trans lobby

So the men who you know are not part of the thread topic.
The men the thread topic is about in age range, are only men you have met on line.
So your opinion is based on online interactions. I don't find online interactions to be a true reflection of a whole demographic of people.

I don't find what you talk of, I don't find young men to be any where as misogynistic as the 55 years + men I know, they need to be dragged kicking a screaming, all younger men than that I do find it all

Well to be honest if any young men accidentally read Mumsnet they would think all women hate men. There are some dreadful anti men opinions on Mumsnet.

I’d agree with that. And the women who attack such comments are the same ones posting vitriolic misandrist bile.

Sure.

Yours has been called out for your vile misogyny.

And btw, women who defend womens rights are not 'transphobes', you femphobe. The fact you think women having human rights is 'transphobic', shows what a Meninist and woman hater you are.

The polite, respectful young men I work with (university STEM area) are educated, confident, generally well travelled and heading for highly paid science/tech careers with valued skills. Many of my PhD students/early postdocs get married and start families in their 20s. They are in control of their lives.

What options are there for non-academic young lads these days- call centre or delivery guy? There used to be real pride in the phsysical hard work of a manual job in your town's industry, alongside your dad, brothers and mates. I think a lot of the online aggression and resentment is a misplaced way of acting "manly".

If you ever posted any links with actual evidence it would be a first.

Misogyny is different now to the past
It was never gone

I'm 100% woman BTW

Your behaviour has been called out for being vile plenty

And you are also a transphobe

"When someone posts facts with a link that shows them I don't like it and call them a woman hater"

When someone says they can't imagine anything worse than listening to womens hour, turns every thread into 'but women do that too', act as if women are even remotely a threat to men, suggesting men suiciding at a higher rate is because of women, suggesting women commit a third of DV, suggesting that courts favour the women (bullshit!!), and just has to make every thread into 'women do it too', shows an intense, INTENSE hatred of women and a need to derail and make men the victim. Misogyny is as misogyny does, and that poster who I believe is a male masquerading as a woman, is a MAJOR hater of women. Thankfully on those threads their vile misogyny is called out by others.

I do not think they are oppressed. I think women do not have them as priority anymore like in the past. At least that is what I see in the younger generations.

When you are accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.

I think it is not the case. Men have lost so much power. Unless, they are trans it seems.

You sound utterly tedious.

Oh and I'm not stalking anyone 🤣🤣🤣

I also don't hate women

Can't read where I've said there is a rise in misogyny in some places?

What makes you think I'm not concerned about those things?

I've not experienced anything personally from the younger generations (I'm in my 50s) but my boss (in his 70s) is a misogynist (sly and under the radar) and I call him out on his behaviour regularly. Shouldn't have to but there we are.

My DD on the other hand (now 23) suffered awfully whilst in school, particularly years 10 and 11 with the attitude of the majority of the boys in her year. The stories she'd tell me about conversations she'd overheard between boys, being sexist/misogynistic about their girlfriends was ear curling! her own friends suffering at the hands of these boys whilst in 'relationships' with them i.e. being told they couldn't wear certain outfits, not to wear makeup, not to car share with other boys...the list went on and on. The worst of it all was that the girls would do what the boys told them!! I couldn't believe that these lads, aged 15/16 could have such outdated attitudes towards women. Have they got it from their own parents behaviour?! It's shocking and I feel so desperately sad for my DD.

She has a boyfriend atm. He apparently didn't believe in the male/female pay gap according to my DD. So when he was last round, I engineered a conversation about it and feminism in general. Safe to say he learnt a lot that day with just a very small flea in his ear!! Pisses me right off that we (women) are having to explain why we feel the way we do, why we have to fight for what we have - it's therefore clear nothing has really changed has it, when young lads have to have this all explained to them.

Online it's highly visible. In real world interactions, I don't see it - I work with many young people in my industry (IT), and also as a volunteer sports coach, and the young people I work with and coach are far more respectful than when I was their age in the 90s and it was the era of the 'lad/ladette' culture. It's particularly noticeable in coaching where the male and female athletes are hugely supportive of each other and have a 'one squad' mentality. The men exhibiting typical misogynistic behaviour in my industry (lecherous comments, defaulting to asking a woman to get coffee in a meeting, not properly listening to women's input in a discussion) are the absolutely stereotypical middle-aged blokes in suits, not the young men. Unfortunately they are clients so it's not possible to do anything about it.

"Arguing with trolls is like wrestling a pig. Afterwards you are both dirty but the pig likes it"

I would expand trolls to arguing online full stop.

It's manosphere content consumed online

Also a lack of sex/success with women