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To think the Tories must actually want to loose the next election?

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malificent7 · 04/09/2023 09:18

School closures for repairs just before the term starts is bonkers. Are they now content with the amount of money they have plundered and now want Labour to inherit the mess or are they hoping that the dumb electorate will still vote for them or say " well the cost of living has hit everywhere...its nothing to do with Brexit?" Or " but boats."?
I don't get it.

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BIossomtoes · 06/09/2023 16:00

ilovesooty · 06/09/2023 14:59

Or people like @Lastchancechica who believe in Labour's eye-watering woke agenda that she is still unable to explain to us.

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Doesn’t that come under the category of things that aren’t true?

ilovesooty · 06/09/2023 14:59

verdantverdure · 06/09/2023 14:15

Awww Bless

The "But Labour..." technique probably only still works on the aforementioned voting demographic of people who believe things that aren't true.

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Or people like @Lastchancechica who believe in Labour's eye-watering woke agenda that she is still unable to explain to us.

verdantverdure · 06/09/2023 14:15

RafaistheKingofClay · 05/09/2023 23:13

My MP has been learning lessons about Northampton, Thurrock and Woking all afternoon since he mistakenly decided it was a good idea to point out birmingham going bankrupt meant labour weren’t fit to run the country.

Awww Bless

The "But Labour..." technique probably only still works on the aforementioned voting demographic of people who believe things that aren't true.

verdantverdure · 06/09/2023 14:10

I've just seen PMQs and even though Rishi Sunak is sent the questions in advance so someone can prepare answers for him it was pretty dire. And he said something that even I know is untrue (that Labour hasn't raised this before.)

Keir Starmer employed a broken record technique, listing schools that were in Labour's school rebuilding programme that was cancelled by the Tories in 2010 that have STILL not been fixed.

The Tory front bench heckled and the back benches roared but you can see they know they're not getting away with it anymore. The chickens are coming home to roost and the Tories don't look like they can be bothered to go through the motions of pretending to govern.

It was all so much easier when they could just give millions to developers to make fake hospitals in exhibition centres and give millions to Michelle Mone for useless PPE and claim to have generously funded the NHS.

Everanewbie · 06/09/2023 09:59

AnnieSnap · 05/09/2023 23:16

Your points about immigration are twaddle, just an echo of Tory dog whistle politics. The big problem with immigration is that during the last 13 years of their blatant asset stripping, they have cut all public bodies to the bone, including the Department of Immigration. The relatively small number of cheap inexperienced and ill trained Clerks now dealing with migrant applications are overwhelmed and cases take years to be heard - hence the backlog! Oh yes, also a migrant cannot be illegal and all legal routes have been closed or made literally impossible to deal with. Do you realise that many arriving from the boats are people in fear of torture and death in Afghanistan because they worked to help the British forces out there, or those facing the same fate because they have the misfortune to be female.

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I wasn't trying to justify the Governments position on small boats, I was responding to a specific point by another poster and giving my view that constantly talking about this issue is a nod to a section of the voting public.

DuncinToffee · 06/09/2023 09:47

Lookjaz · 05/09/2023 20:54

For those wishing for a Labour government, have you seen that Labour has bankrupted the UKs second City. They will do the same with the country.

What do they have in common? National government’s disrespect for local government and failure to fund it.

To think the Tories must actually want to loose the next election?
RoseAndRose · 06/09/2023 06:54

RafaistheKingofClay · 05/09/2023 22:28

And yet by the 2010 election we had 2.1% growth. I’m assuming nobody wants to explain how the Tories turning this into a recession within months of taking over means they are the party of fiscal responsibility.

Mind you if we’re bringing up 2008 again Tory HQ must be desperate.

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Interesting chart on economic growth

Gross Domestic Product: Quarter on Quarter growth: CVM SA % - Office for National Statistics (ons.gov.uk)

How the economy looks is very dependent on where you slice your reference figures. The difference between now and 2010 is slight, but the "growth" looks different because of the immediately preceding period for each

TooBigForMyBoots · 06/09/2023 00:42

Lookjaz · 05/09/2023 20:54

For those wishing for a Labour government, have you seen that Labour has bankrupted the UKs second City. They will do the same with the country.

Tory PM Liz Truss beat them to it.

Anxioys · 05/09/2023 23:48

Agree: Starmer has gone full Blairite. Except for Rayner who gets housing.

Oh wait, that is Blair. Housing was John Prescott's old brief.

BIossomtoes · 05/09/2023 23:47

verdantverdure · 05/09/2023 23:35

They don't do much defend what the Tories have done or haven't done as have a go at the other lot. Grin

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Exactly that. There’s not much of a defence to put up, to be fair.

ThePoshUns · 05/09/2023 23:45

Fingers crossed. Starmers new shadow cabinet look cohesive and like they mean business. I look forward to them taking over from the current shit show.

verdantverdure · 05/09/2023 23:35

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 05/09/2023 23:29

Yes, the Tories are shit, and I won't be voting for them. I'm surprised anyone dare come on here to try to defend them.

They don't do much defend what the Tories have done or haven't done as have a go at the other lot. Grin

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 05/09/2023 23:29

Yes, the Tories are shit, and I won't be voting for them. I'm surprised anyone dare come on here to try to defend them.

AnnieSnap · 05/09/2023 23:22

Lookjaz · 05/09/2023 20:54

For those wishing for a Labour government, have you seen that Labour has bankrupted the UKs second City. They will do the same with the country.

What bankrupted Birmingham City Council was choosing to pay women much less than men for equivalent work over many years. Oh and you do know that the Tories provide more Government money in one way or another to Tory Councils than Labour yes?

AnnieSnap · 05/09/2023 23:16

Everanewbie · 04/09/2023 10:29

Of all the things that you can take this government to task on, I can't see what they've done wrong with the school buildings. These building were constructed more than half a century ago and have remained in place during the governments of both colours. Indeed much of the schools in question are in Labour controlled Wales, who are apparently well behind England in their audit of the affected schools.

In terms of the boats, it is a serious issue for a lot of people. By allowing illegal crossings we allow and encourage traffickers to push people through terribly dangerous crossings. Also, people see the money that goes on housing people taking this route at a time when the country is struggling and this frustrates people. I'll admit, it's a something like a right leaning person likes to hear is being tackled, so plenty of noise appeals to certain people, but to me that's preaching to the choir, its the middle that they need to win over.

I don't feel that the Conservatives are trying to 'loose' the next election, but they could do with tightening up their policies and message. Sorry OP, couldn't resist. I'm sure you know the difference between 'loose' and 'lose'.

They lost my vote with the destruction of the economy, jobs, mental health and child development in response to COVID. To win it back they'll need to realise the tax threshold for higher rate is ridiculous, people on £50k are not high earners and don't deserve a tax rate with NI that goes beyond 50% of earnings. Problem is that alternative is Labour, where their leader takes the knee to criminal extreme political lobbiests and won't state what they believe a woman to be. I suppose i'll need to vote for the least bad option.

Your points about immigration are twaddle, just an echo of Tory dog whistle politics. The big problem with immigration is that during the last 13 years of their blatant asset stripping, they have cut all public bodies to the bone, including the Department of Immigration. The relatively small number of cheap inexperienced and ill trained Clerks now dealing with migrant applications are overwhelmed and cases take years to be heard - hence the backlog! Oh yes, also a migrant cannot be illegal and all legal routes have been closed or made literally impossible to deal with. Do you realise that many arriving from the boats are people in fear of torture and death in Afghanistan because they worked to help the British forces out there, or those facing the same fate because they have the misfortune to be female.

RafaistheKingofClay · 05/09/2023 23:13

My MP has been learning lessons about Northampton, Thurrock and Woking all afternoon since he mistakenly decided it was a good idea to point out birmingham going bankrupt meant labour weren’t fit to run the country.

verdantverdure · 05/09/2023 23:04

Weren't Northampton Woking and Thurrock all Tory bankrupt councils?

It doesn't really matter who controls a council when central government cuts funding and simultaneously torpedoes the economy.

There's only so long anyone can work miracles with not enough money.

And 13 years might be it.

Aren't there a couple of dozen other councils on the danger list?

RafaistheKingofClay · 05/09/2023 22:28

BIossomtoes · 05/09/2023 22:08

Bailing the banks out in a global economic crisis as I recall.

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And yet by the 2010 election we had 2.1% growth. I’m assuming nobody wants to explain how the Tories turning this into a recession within months of taking over means they are the party of fiscal responsibility.

Mind you if we’re bringing up 2008 again Tory HQ must be desperate.

RafaistheKingofClay · 05/09/2023 22:24

Lookjaz · 05/09/2023 20:54

For those wishing for a Labour government, have you seen that Labour has bankrupted the UKs second City. They will do the same with the country.

At the risk of injecting some facts into the discussion, doesn’t the large bill that has caused this issue relate back to a court ruling in 2012 about people employed before then when the council was NOC with Tories holding the largest number of seats.

Not to mention the fact that the government have been underfunding local councils to the tune of about 3billion for years.

VikingVolva · 05/09/2023 22:16

longwayoff · 05/09/2023 11:25

Dear me , @VikingVolva your perceptions are desperately askew. I urge you to reconsider your immoderate and ill-informed comments.

What do you think is wrong with them?

HoliHormonalTigerLillyTheSecond · 05/09/2023 22:11

Jeesus christ lets fucking hope they lose! 🙏🙏🙏

BIossomtoes · 05/09/2023 22:08

Lastchancechica · 05/09/2023 21:37

Labour have always been utterly dire at managing budgets, and who can forget 2008? Labour spent every last penny.

Bailing the banks out in a global economic crisis as I recall.

CurrentlyChipped · 05/09/2023 22:00

Someone has asked where Labour would get the money from if they don't increase taxes. The answer is clear. Rejoin the Single Market and Customs Union.

According to Bloomberg "Brexit Is Costing the UK £100 Billion a Year in Lost Output"

https://archive.ph/xfGMp

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