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malificent7 · 2023-09-04T08:18:26+00:00

School closures for repairs just before the term starts is bonkers. Are they now content with the amount of money they have plundered and now want Labour to inherit the mess or are they hoping that the dumb electorate will still vote for them or say " well the cost of living has hit everywhere...its nothing to do with Brexit?" Or " but boats."? I don't get it.

verdantverdure · 12/09/2023 20:25

Even Tories don't plan to vote Tory I don't think.

To think the Tories must actually want to loose the next election?

RafaistheKingofClay · 12/09/2023 20:17

I think it’s going to take them more than 13 years to reach this level of corruption.

I will eat my hat if Labour ever appoint an anti corruption tzar and they have to quit because there is too much corruption.

DuncinToffee · 12/09/2023 20:15

Bollindger · 12/09/2023 18:12

I am curious as to what people think will change with the Tory Govenment being voted out.

I am curious as to why you think the Tories deserve another term

SerendipityJane · 12/09/2023 19:29

Bollindger · 12/09/2023 18:12

I am curious as to what people think will change with the Tory Govenment being voted out.

Labour will have to start the 13 year process of learning to become as corrupt as the Tories.

everetting · 12/09/2023 18:22

Even business are now courting labour. They sold out of expensive tickets for their conference for top business people and have a long wait list.

verdantverdure · 12/09/2023 18:19

Bollindger · 12/09/2023 18:12

I am curious as to what people think will change with the Tory Govenment being voted out.

We will begin to dig ourselves out of this, instead of digging a deeper hole every day.

Piggywaspushed · 12/09/2023 18:16

The Tories won't be in power?

I am not being entirely facetious. Their brand now is completely toxic and in thrall to fairly extreme right wing factions.

Bollindger · 12/09/2023 18:12

I am curious as to what people think will change with the Tory Govenment being voted out.

bombastix · 12/09/2023 17:16

It's already chaotic. Everyone knows there is no money.

Bollindger · 12/09/2023 17:08

I was just looking for a post about Labour winning the next Election.
Labour have normally got in with money to spend, and with a leader who had a spine.
So OMG loads were wishing for a Labour win, so bow you look like getting what you wish for, are you prepared for the chaos to begin?

Papillon23 · 08/09/2023 21:16

jcyclops · 08/09/2023 01:19

The current government's school rebuilding programme aims to build (or significantly refurbish) 500 schools in a decade - or 50 per year. The PM and several ministers have been rolled out and confirmed this figure in the media and have denied that Sunak cut this from 100/year when he was chancellor.

There are around 24,000 state funded schools in the UK. Simple arithmetic means that at 50/year it will take 480 YEARS until all existing schools are rebuilt/refurbished. Doubling or trebling the rate is also clearly not enough. Doing 200 schools per year would still take 120 YEARS. Do you think a brand new school would last 120 years before needing major work or replacement?

I suggest that 200/year is the absolute minimum that should be done, and 300/year is a much more realistic minimum - but would still take 80 years to complete. I wonder which political party will be the first to commit to 400 schools/year? Don't hold your breath.

I agree, and I think unfortunately this is a problem massively exacerbated by the short termism that haunts all politics.

If you look at places like Cambridge university, their "medium term" planning is 50 years - and that is what it needs to be if you are planning to exist forever.

Which means that is also what our government should consider medium term. But when a government is up for re-election 10 or even 12 times in that period, what hope do we have?

DuncinToffee · 08/09/2023 20:19

https://twitter.com/resfoundation/status/1700157291297743062?s=20

This parliamentary term is on track to be by far the worst for living standards since the 1950s.

Typical working age household incomes are on course to be 4% lower in 2024-25 than they were in 2019-20.

Never in living memory have families got so much poorer over a parliament.

ilovesooty · 08/09/2023 20:12

SerendipityJane · 08/09/2023 07:30

It's not just schools though is it ? It's all buildings that were put up by contractors working for government departments. We already know hospitals are affected. And court buildings. Wait until the council buildings and government office buildings are added to the list.

This could make the asbestos scares of the 80s and 90s look like a mere bagatelle.

Heathrow and Gatwick airports are affected, apparently.

DuncinToffee · 08/09/2023 19:16

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DuncinToffee · 08/09/2023 12:59

Anxioys · 08/09/2023 08:22

The sums involved in fixing this were quite small. I am amazed at Sunak's cheapness. A serious lack of political nous.

The Labour attack ad where they draw attention to his cutting rates of duty on champagne but cutting this funding for essential repair is well done because it is true.

The failed Festival of Brexit cost about the same and if you add Keegan's office refurbishment costs, you got it well covered

Anxioys · 08/09/2023 08:22

The sums involved in fixing this were quite small. I am amazed at Sunak's cheapness. A serious lack of political nous.

The Labour attack ad where they draw attention to his cutting rates of duty on champagne but cutting this funding for essential repair is well done because it is true.

SerendipityJane · 08/09/2023 07:30

It's not just schools though is it ? It's all buildings that were put up by contractors working for government departments. We already know hospitals are affected. And court buildings. Wait until the council buildings and government office buildings are added to the list.

This could make the asbestos scares of the 80s and 90s look like a mere bagatelle.

RafaistheKingofClay · 08/09/2023 07:06

Of the hundred that should have been done in the last 2 years according to their commitment, they’ve managed 4. I’m sure the children of 14023CE will be very pleased that the school rebuilding plan is finally finished.

The problem is that 400 was what was needed in 2010. So it will need to be more than that to catch up with how far behind they have got themselves over the last 13years by not doing that. Not unlike what happens when you give public sector workers real terms pay cuts for 13years. Eventually you run up a huge bill when you need to give them an above average pay rise to restore pay.

jcyclops · 08/09/2023 01:19

The current government's school rebuilding programme aims to build (or significantly refurbish) 500 schools in a decade - or 50 per year. The PM and several ministers have been rolled out and confirmed this figure in the media and have denied that Sunak cut this from 100/year when he was chancellor.

There are around 24,000 state funded schools in the UK. Simple arithmetic means that at 50/year it will take 480 YEARS until all existing schools are rebuilt/refurbished. Doubling or trebling the rate is also clearly not enough. Doing 200 schools per year would still take 120 YEARS. Do you think a brand new school would last 120 years before needing major work or replacement?

I suggest that 200/year is the absolute minimum that should be done, and 300/year is a much more realistic minimum - but would still take 80 years to complete. I wonder which political party will be the first to commit to 400 schools/year? Don't hold your breath.

LizzieW1969 · 07/09/2023 20:25

And the John Major government in the 1990s lost the overall majority and had to rely on the Ulster Unionists. They lost every single by election as I recall.

Admittedly they only had a 21 seat majority to begin with.

SerendipityJane · 07/09/2023 11:49

ilovesooty · 07/09/2023 11:10

That thought had crossed my mind. It's certainly getting smaller.

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Those of us who remember the 70s, remember Labours ever shrinking majority and the LibLab pact.

ilovesooty · 07/09/2023 11:10

RafaistheKingofClay · 07/09/2023 10:57

At the rate they are happening Tories might manage to lose that huge majority before they even call an election.

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That thought had crossed my mind. It's certainly getting smaller.

RafaistheKingofClay · 07/09/2023 10:57

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/09/2023 09:44

I love a By-election.

At the rate they are happening Tories might manage to lose that huge majority before they even call an election.

ilovesooty · 07/09/2023 10:29

BIossomtoes · 07/09/2023 10:03

Oh, has Pincher actually gone now?

Resigned this morning according to the BBC.

BIossomtoes · 07/09/2023 10:03

Oh, has Pincher actually gone now?