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To think the Tories must actually want to loose the next election?

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malificent7 · 04/09/2023 09:18

School closures for repairs just before the term starts is bonkers. Are they now content with the amount of money they have plundered and now want Labour to inherit the mess or are they hoping that the dumb electorate will still vote for them or say " well the cost of living has hit everywhere...its nothing to do with Brexit?" Or " but boats."?
I don't get it.

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SerendipityJane · 04/09/2023 11:46

Highandlows · 04/09/2023 11:36

What is Labour saying? Are they paying the repairs with the money they will get from private schools VAT? The avalanche to state schools would only made that much worse. Be careful what you wish for and all that.

It's getting embarrassing now when people try the "whatabouttery" - especially when you remember it was the fucking Tories who tried to tell us a Labour government would be a recipe for chaos. Where's your intelligence, let alone self respect ?

Of course Labour won't be perfect. But with nearly 4 years of this shit gone past, it's mathematically impossible for them to be more shit than this. And I speak as someone who survived the winter of 78 ....

lightinthebox · 04/09/2023 11:44

I’m politically homeless now, but Tories ‘know what a woman is’ so that’s more important to some people than school buildings being unsafe.

BIossomtoes · 04/09/2023 11:40

Imagine having a fully functional country.

DuncinToffee · 04/09/2023 11:38

Highandlows · 04/09/2023 11:36

What is Labour saying? Are they paying the repairs with the money they will get from private schools VAT? The avalanche to state schools would only made that much worse. Be careful what you wish for and all that.

Imagine having safe schools for all children

DuncinToffee · 04/09/2023 11:37

Don't worry, Sunak just said "a lot of schools are not falling down", phew.

Highandlows · 04/09/2023 11:36

What is Labour saying? Are they paying the repairs with the money they will get from private schools VAT? The avalanche to state schools would only made that much worse. Be careful what you wish for and all that.

SerendipityJane · 04/09/2023 11:36

I'm assuming they just discovered some of the schools are in wealthy areas and killing the children of their voters was an even worse political move than ...

Killing their grandparents ...

Sunsnet · 04/09/2023 11:34

I'm assuming they just discovered some of the schools are in wealthy areas and killing the children of their voters was an even worse political move than everything else they've fucked up.

SerendipityJane · 04/09/2023 11:28

Sadly there are enough die-hard Tory voters who'll vote for them regardless.

Well they'll be first to be fucked then. Probably without realising it. After all if you are dim enough to vote by colour, then you probably aren't paying attention to policies, promises and outcomes. Which they clearly aren't because ... well because they are voting Tory.

SerendipityJane · 04/09/2023 11:25

ACynicalDad · 04/09/2023 09:24

I've usually voted for them, now feeling politically homeless, not sure I'll bother voting, not that it matters as I'm in a very safe seat which isn't changing hands anyway.

If you usually voted for them, then by return they never gave a fuck about you. They had your vote already.

RafaistheKingofClay · 04/09/2023 11:23

I’d quite happily be invaded at this point.

They know they don’t have a chance at the next election, OP. They are just doing slash and burn with the country and trying to make as much money for themselves as possible. They need to just call an election and put us out of our misery.

tt9 · 04/09/2023 11:18

@Bunnyannesummers well if it happens I'm unashamedly joining them. I would do almost anything in exchange for viking armour, a broadsword and the promise of dragons

Bunnyannesummers · 04/09/2023 11:17

BloodyHellKen · 04/09/2023 10:58

I agree Op, I think some Conservatives would like to hand over the mess to another party, or maybe have a hung Parliament. That's what I would be hoping for were I in office at the moment. Then my plan would be to regroup my party and hopefully storm to victory at the following GE 😁

I insist I am NOT trying to start a bun-fight, but please can someone explain how the whole concrete thing is the fault of the current government because I'm not seeing it. Isn't it more of a historical building materials thing - like asbestos?

Because a not crap government would have been investing in schools and their infrastructure, not scrapping building schools for the future etc. Then, this wouldn’t be as much of an issue because a lot of these schools would have been redone by now.

Also, telling schools about it days before the start of term when they’ve known for months was definitely their fault.

BIossomtoes · 04/09/2023 11:16

tt9 · 04/09/2023 10:34

at this point I'm hoping one of the nordic countries would invade us as we are clearly no longer able to govern ourselves

That would be wonderful. I’d walk towards them, white flag in hand.

Bunnyannesummers · 04/09/2023 11:16

tt9 · 04/09/2023 10:34

at this point I'm hoping one of the nordic countries would invade us as we are clearly no longer able to govern ourselves

could be an option 😂

https://x.com/bossloper/status/1482736973492195333?s=46&t=AT7qg6AUBRjouZ7Yo783pw

https://x.com/bossloper/status/1482736973492195333?s=46&t=AT7qg6AUBRjouZ7Yo783pw

ungryHippy · 04/09/2023 11:11

Sadly there are enough die-hard Tory voters who'll vote for them regardless.
My prediction for the next election is a repeat of past election scenarious. Mumsnet, social media etc will be full of posts saying the Tories are finished and bound to lose. Tory voters will largely remain silent
Everyone will be astonished when the Tories win .

BloodyHellKen · 04/09/2023 10:58

I agree Op, I think some Conservatives would like to hand over the mess to another party, or maybe have a hung Parliament. That's what I would be hoping for were I in office at the moment. Then my plan would be to regroup my party and hopefully storm to victory at the following GE 😁

I insist I am NOT trying to start a bun-fight, but please can someone explain how the whole concrete thing is the fault of the current government because I'm not seeing it. Isn't it more of a historical building materials thing - like asbestos?

tt9 · 04/09/2023 10:34

at this point I'm hoping one of the nordic countries would invade us as we are clearly no longer able to govern ourselves

Everanewbie · 04/09/2023 10:29

Of all the things that you can take this government to task on, I can't see what they've done wrong with the school buildings. These building were constructed more than half a century ago and have remained in place during the governments of both colours. Indeed much of the schools in question are in Labour controlled Wales, who are apparently well behind England in their audit of the affected schools.

In terms of the boats, it is a serious issue for a lot of people. By allowing illegal crossings we allow and encourage traffickers to push people through terribly dangerous crossings. Also, people see the money that goes on housing people taking this route at a time when the country is struggling and this frustrates people. I'll admit, it's a something like a right leaning person likes to hear is being tackled, so plenty of noise appeals to certain people, but to me that's preaching to the choir, its the middle that they need to win over.

I don't feel that the Conservatives are trying to 'loose' the next election, but they could do with tightening up their policies and message. Sorry OP, couldn't resist. I'm sure you know the difference between 'loose' and 'lose'.

They lost my vote with the destruction of the economy, jobs, mental health and child development in response to COVID. To win it back they'll need to realise the tax threshold for higher rate is ridiculous, people on £50k are not high earners and don't deserve a tax rate with NI that goes beyond 50% of earnings. Problem is that alternative is Labour, where their leader takes the knee to criminal extreme political lobbiests and won't state what they believe a woman to be. I suppose i'll need to vote for the least bad option.

TheGrimSqueakersFlea · 04/09/2023 10:14

They know they don't need to try anymore, people will just keep voting for them anyway. I have made some questionable choices in my life and made some terrible decisions but I've never voted Tory and never will.

MintJulia · 04/09/2023 10:03

smilesup · 04/09/2023 09:35

The Tories know they have lost this round. They will wait for all of the shit to really hit the fan when Labour start, blame them. Our country predominantly has right wing press so of course they will back the Tories. People are sadly gullible and will vote them back in either 4 or 8 years time. The Tories again will set the system up to benefit the wealthy (themselves) and it will start again. I am not a huge fan of Labour, particularly their stance on womens spaces BUT nothing is as bad as this current lot of Tories. Inequality in this country is just going to go up and up. Our children in particular will suffer.

Every word of this.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 04/09/2023 10:01

You are nearly 20 minutes late for your shift , OP. They’ll dock you next time.

VikingVolva · 04/09/2023 10:01

They know they are going to loose, so they're doing their damnedest to make sure that Labour is single term only.

So this is a useful move - scare people about their DC, which requires massive spending, scope of which might not be known for a few months, and possibly not into next year. Commit to spending. It'll be impossible for Labour to cut the repairs programme and that will put a nice hole in their spending plans.

Expect the Tories to also initiate quite a bit of hard to reverse spending in coming months (with same aim).

It's pretty much what happened in the run up to the 2010 elections (so that even when things like non-means tested maternity grants for all were cut - something that was hard to justify in the first place - the "nasty cutting Tories" rhetoric could be used)

When's the next election likely to be? Oct/Nov next year?

sanityisamyth · 04/09/2023 10:01

Fieldofbrokenpromises · 04/09/2023 09:36

BTW are we officially spelling lose “loose” now - it’s so confusing.

Hope not! I do feel like not many people know the difference now though 🙈

TooBigForMyBoots · 04/09/2023 09:59

They've ruined the country.

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