To think the Tories must actually want to loose the next election?

Oh, they did. This is the civil service. However they weren't listened to.

I'm predicting that before the next election (and given there are 2 coming up, it might be sooner rather than later) the Electoral Commission will be asked to "clarify" the new legislation in such a way that the only way to be refused a vote is if you wear a T-Shirt saying "I am a voting fraudster" on it while whistling "If I were a rich man" and flossing. It's the British way. You know it makes sense.

Nobody can stop Labour winning an overall majority at the next election - and that nobody is Keir Starmer.

*Sadly there are enough die-hard Tory voters who'll vote for them regardless.
My prediction for the next election is a repeat of past election scenarious. Mumsnet, social media etc will be full of posts saying the Tories are finished and bound to lose. Tory voters will largely remain silent
Everyone will be astonished when the Tories win *

I can’t help but agree and despair.

You would do better to answer the question @Lastchancechica, given this is a thread about the Tories. Why would anyone vote for the them in the next election? How are they going to turn the UK around and repair the damage they've done?

Or is the extent of their policies just that they're not Labour?

Yes apparently nobody spelled out firmly enough to the Minister in charge that it wouldn't just affect the other lot's voters.

That's why they actively court the thickest, left school at 14, most in thrall to conspiracy theorists, never let facts get in the way of a bit of hysteria, politics of aggreivedness types.

Who, ironically, are most likely to be unable to vote due to the new ID rules.

Rules I suspect will be neutered with "guidelines" by the next election.

Yes.

And the lower tax wasn't for US silly!

It was for them and their mates.

We have the highest tax burden since the war.

AND unprecedented levels of debt.

AND a crumbling country.

It's almost as if the Tories govern for their own benefit and not for ours or the country's isn't it?

I've said it once, and I'll say it again.

You have to believe a lot of things that aren't true in order to want to vote Tory these days.

And they know it.

That's why they actively court the thickest, left school at 14, most in thrall to conspiracy theorists, never let facts get in the way of a bit of hysteria, politics of aggrievedness types.

Those people all the Tory party have left.

Voted for Tories mostly for 20 years, simply because I wanted to vote for a low tax party. Will vote Labour next time but feel like emigrating the country is in such a mess

it’s almost like there might be a connection between long term under investment and some of the problems we are having. Weird.

Considering we aren't even in an election year (although admittedly with this shower, I'm not betting) then it's not so clear cut.

One thing Keir and Labour appear to be doing quite well is avoid the aura of triumphalism that Labour made the mistake of pumping in 92. No Sheffielburg rallies hopefully ever again.

What did for Labour in 92 was that ultimately John Major was up to the job and had the balls to corral his own side. Something nobody would ever accuse Rish! of.

jacky I swear blind it'll be a repeat of 92.

The Tory donors and Fleet Street will manipulate it to their advantage somehow.

Are you a Daily Mail reader?

I honestly think they have just become so arrogant that they can't imagine losing the next election. That being said, I do not feel particularly impressed with anything labour is putting out there. I always took pride in voting but I can not imagine bothering next time, none of them seem to have people's best interests at heart, it just seems all about furthering their own political careers.

You're not going to get an answer or if you do its unlikely to make sense Duncin

What is that eye watering woke agenda?

They could maybe finally oversee the breakup of the UK 😂

I fear a repeat of 92

Part of me thinks maybe we should all vote tory and let them have another 4 years to sort their shit out.
The other part of me is horrified we could end up with them for another 4 years and dread to think what else they could dream up to destroy the uk

You would do better to answer the question.

The increasing impression being that Labour beyond deploying an eye watering woke agenda and penalising everyone trying to actually work for a living and going to make things even worse, and if you are a ‘woman’ in ways you cant even imagine.

@SerendipityJane i don’t disagree and I’m hopeful that those boats are filled with the doctors, nurses and engineers we desperately need with just a few criminal Albanians being the problem.

Agreed pp. Bring on the Vikings!

The Tories will win again.

The English love being treated badly, conned, lied to, stolen from. They can't get enough cap doffing.

They will vote Tory.

Serious question:
What do you think the Tories are going to do to turn this around? They've spent the last 13 years shitting on the country from a great height. What do you think they'd do differently if they got in again?

Well I was definitely asking the question of how healthcare was going to be improved but no one seemed to be able to answer it! Since then the UK’s debt to GDP ratio has deteriorated significantly so things have definitely got worse.

I think there will be a massive brain drain in the county as a lot of people I know
are getting out for their and their kids sakes.

Will be ?

Of course that merely increases the need for immigration to replace the fleeing skills.