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To think the Tories must actually want to loose the next election?

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malificent7 · 04/09/2023 09:18

School closures for repairs just before the term starts is bonkers. Are they now content with the amount of money they have plundered and now want Labour to inherit the mess or are they hoping that the dumb electorate will still vote for them or say " well the cost of living has hit everywhere...its nothing to do with Brexit?" Or " but boats."?
I don't get it.

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verdantverdure · 04/09/2023 20:07

Newusernaming · 04/09/2023 19:41

But why do people keep getting folled by tories?

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Because they believe things that aren't true.

BIossomtoes · 04/09/2023 20:06

They are already the most highly taxed in the world and are changing their behaviour.

I really don’t think they are. Scandinavian rates are far higher. As are some African countries.

ilovesooty · 04/09/2023 20:06

BIossomtoes · 04/09/2023 19:59

You do know that’s libellous, don’t you? I’d be very careful with my lies if I were you - even Johnson had to apologise for that whopper.

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Exactly.

BIossomtoes · 04/09/2023 19:59

Lastchancechica · 04/09/2023 17:43

What the hell happens when the deal between Starmer, the bbc and Jimmy Saville comes to light?

Will that happen before or after the election?

You do know that’s libellous, don’t you? I’d be very careful with my lies if I were you - even Johnson had to apologise for that whopper.

IsitChristmasyet23 · 04/09/2023 19:52

enchantedsquirrelwood · 04/09/2023 12:12

To be fair, most aren't. But the problem is much wider than schools. RACC is used in my local hospital, which needs a complete rebuild. Not sure where the money for that is going to come from, given Labour have said no increases in income tax.

If we won't pay more tax, how are we going to have better services and infrastructure?

There are lots of people out there who will still vote Tory, as they still think Boris woz robbed.

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Tax wealth? Look at why 52% of adults are net takers? Why should higher rate tax payers who are funding everything pay even more. They are already the most highly taxed in the world and are changing their behaviour. The chancellor has been told this and that it is actively damaging the economy and tax take - hence why Labour have backtracked. You can’t just keep taxing PAYE and expect productivity.

Newusernaming · 04/09/2023 19:48

Fooled I meant.

Newusernaming · 04/09/2023 19:41

But why do people keep getting folled by tories?

Anxioys · 04/09/2023 19:34

Well my money is on a large Labour majority and the SNP looking lonely.

Lastchancechica · 04/09/2023 19:15

I am betting a hung parliament with Labour promising a referendum to the SNP to get into bed. Starmer will last less than 18 months.

All bets are off if a new party of any colour emerges.

BarelyLiterate · 04/09/2023 19:10

This is what happens in politics when parties stay in power for too long. They have to deal with the consequences of their own previous fuck ups. The same happened to Labour after the 2008 financial crisis and to the Tories in the mid 90s.

The country is in a mess, the NHS is dysfunctional & failing, Brexit has been a complete disaster and now the schools are literally crumbling. The Tories can’t be honest about what caused these things because they know it was their own policies and their own chaotic incompetence. So they carry on trying to blame anything & everyone but themselves.

We need a new government, and next year it is highly likely we will get one. If we don’t, then the electorate will only have themselves to blame for what happens next.

verdantverdure · 04/09/2023 19:03

I'm in a Tory safe seat. I'll campaign for anyone who can win who isn't a Tory.

The Tories have been in power for most of my life, It's about time somebody else had a go.

ilovesooty · 04/09/2023 19:00

verdantverdure · 04/09/2023 18:50

Was she an excellent MP @ilovesooty?

She was awful. I'm thinking of revisiting to campaign against her for the next election.

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 04/09/2023 18:58

Lastchancechica · 04/09/2023 17:43

We end up with Raynor as PM??
Jesus
Wake up people

I know, right? Not only is she a woman but she's from a working class background! Urgh! Know your place you vile harpy!!

Anyway, I see the tory defence league have well and truly scraped the barrel clean and are now deploying flat eatther levels of denialism. We're all being treated a truly magnificent meltdown.

Ps first part of this is sarcasm (I know it's obvious but can never be too careful these days with the out of context quotes from the TDL).

verdantverdure · 04/09/2023 18:57

Highest tax burden for 70 years AND crumbling infrastructure, 8 million on waiting lists, child poverty up etc.

Where's our money gone??

verdantverdure · 04/09/2023 18:54

It's kind of @Lastchancechica to prove my point about having to believe things that aren't true to be a Tory supporter currently.

That's the demographic the Tories are relying on at the next General Election.

WhateverMate · 04/09/2023 18:53

Fieldofbrokenpromises · 04/09/2023 09:36

BTW are we officially spelling lose “loose” now - it’s so confusing.

No it isn't.

You're just being an arse, so at least own it.

verdantverdure · 04/09/2023 18:50

Was she an excellent MP @ilovesooty?

verdantverdure · 04/09/2023 18:49

To be fair @LoobyDop a situation that was known about and done nothing about/actively worsened by removing the funding by the last five Tory PMs isn't a "A bad decision is it?

ilovesooty · 04/09/2023 18:46

verdantverdure · 04/09/2023 18:44

Who was that really classy one who gave the middle finger outside 10 Downing Street?

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Andrea Jenkyns. She used to be my MP.

verdantverdure · 04/09/2023 18:44

Anxioys · 04/09/2023 18:06

Lee Anderson and Keegan are both much more foul mouthed than Rayner.

Don't tell me, they are responsible sons and daughters with a robust attitude and Rayner is some kind of chav.

More bollocks from the Tory party for DM dipshits

Who was that really classy one who gave the middle finger outside 10 Downing Street?

tt9 · 04/09/2023 18:25

@RosaGallica I can see the daily fail headlines "mumsnet feminazi traitors seek foreign invasion"

LoobyDop · 04/09/2023 18:17

verdantverdure · 04/09/2023 18:09

To be fair Ukraine and Covid did know that this kind of concrete needs regular maintenance and about hospitals having to close off whole floors because of RAAC in 2012 and what did they do?

Nothing!

I bet they even made Michael Gove take away the funding fir said maintenance.

It's all Covid and Ukraine's fault that our schools and hospitals are crumbling, and you can't even go for a paddle on an English beach because of human faeces.

And definitely not the fault of the party in power for the last 13 years

Or the party in power for most of the last 50 years.

It's about time the Tories took a bit of personal responsibility and located their internal locus of control if you ask me.

They always blame something or someone else.

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They all do. It’s electoral suicide to admit you made a bad decision. The last politician I remember doing it was Nick Clegg, and look what happened there.

Obviously what would have been ideal would have been if someone had actually joined some dots up and fixed the school buildings (and supported the construction industry) while the bloody schools were closed for months, but clearly that’s far too much to hope for.

verdantverdure · 04/09/2023 18:09

LoobyDop · 04/09/2023 17:55

I’m not a Tory. I have never voted Tory, and I think their behaviour, definitely since 2015, has been pretty disgusting in every area aside from gender. But. The three main things that have fucked the country now are Brexit, covid and the Ukraine war.

Brexit was undeniably the Tories’ fault, but Labour did sod all to stop it because the dangerous, incomplete fool who led them at the time supported it, and they left it far too long to get rid of him.

The only thing Labour did during covid was argue for more lockdown, which would have left us in an even worse mess. To be fair, Andy Burnham was an exception to this, but god forbid that the Labour Party might have a northern leader.

And Ukraine, to be fair to both, is beyond the control of either of them.

And, gender. Sorry, I know lots of people like to get very angry that it’s important to some of us and we aren’t prepared to suck it up, but it is and it’s there.

So I’m not really seeing the justification for calling Tory voters morons. We’ve had a choice for years between incompetent and nasty, and not quite smart or inspiring enough to beat incompetent and nasty. I don’t think picking option 2 necessarily makes you inherently superior in your judgement.

To be fair Ukraine and Covid did know that this kind of concrete needs regular maintenance and about hospitals having to close off whole floors because of RAAC in 2012 and what did they do?

Nothing!

I bet they even made Michael Gove take away the funding fir said maintenance.

It's all Covid and Ukraine's fault that our schools and hospitals are crumbling, and you can't even go for a paddle on an English beach because of human faeces.

And definitely not the fault of the party in power for the last 13 years

Or the party in power for most of the last 50 years.

It's about time the Tories took a bit of personal responsibility and located their internal locus of control if you ask me.

They always blame something or someone else.

Anxioys · 04/09/2023 18:06

Lee Anderson and Keegan are both much more foul mouthed than Rayner.

Don't tell me, they are responsible sons and daughters with a robust attitude and Rayner is some kind of chav.

More bollocks from the Tory party for DM dipshits

AdamRyan · 04/09/2023 18:02

I like both of them.
Her surname is Rayner.
How come resorting to insults?