To think the gender and sex Ed wars are created by tories

Agree ^^

Those saying ‘I haven’t seen this in real life’, (code for: ‘it’s not an issue for me personally so I don’t care’) are in a privileged position not to be in need of single sex services for sexual assault or rape counselling or a female prison at one end of the scale. Or even in competing sports or just working in a university at the other end.

Great that this topic doesn’t affect you personally, but if you can’t care about protecting more vulnerable women in society then at least have the presence of mind not to actively obstruct those fighting for women’s rights and the safeguard of children.

What? Four questions that then lead into a fifth if you answer 'yes' to any of them?

Probably shows other's more about your own opinions than you would like.

The Dentons report has been deleted from the link in the Spectator.

You can find the Dentons report through this link though.

https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/iglyo_v3-1.pdf

Just adding this link for the Messaging Guide : Transgender Youth and the Freedom to Be Ourselves

From December 2021

static1.squarespace.com/static/5fd0f29d0d626c5fb471be74/t/61b13d00236e2f7f2dbb9a36/1639005441624/Transgender+Youth+and+the+Freedom+to+Be+Ourselves.pdf

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4439659-Ryan-Grim-results-of-latest-trans-activism-poll-A-tweaked-playbook-for-the-US?reply=113763453

The Transgender Law Center’s work.

This link also shows a 'playbook' on how to leverage other social justice issues to manipulate people into supporting beliefs not upheld with any factual or scientific evidence at all. In fact, in this link above, the general population are called 'persuadables'. They are not hiding that this is pure emotional manipulation.

And finally, here is something similar from the UK Greens. Just in case people still doubt that there is an emotionally manipulative tactic being used across the world. This one gives people stock answers that they believe will work to either shame people into agreeing with them or that they feel will be 'convincing'.

https://lgbtiqa.greenparty.org.uk/2023/06/15/dogwhistle-guidance/

it is in archive sites if you want to track it down.

Caution: the link to the Greens includes some misinformation presented as 'facts'. Happy to have a discussion about this with anyone with questions.

Ah, the kind of attitude that explains why people have no idea what is happening and why it matters.

Mate there's no way I'm reading all that ✌

I don’t see why @FOJN was said to be using a ‘right wing insult’ and accused of name changing on top

I haven’t used the phrase but I see it from a fair few posters, it was a strange take that the above was going on

It really is remarkable just how these topics are often universally supported across all political spectrums, yet it is denied just how many 'left wing' leaning people support the topics being fully discussed and expect that decisions should be made based on evidence and not ideological grounds...

Yet, so many people immediately jump to the 'right wing' accusations because they seem to lack the ability to think critically and evaluate the information that is already out there and growing rapidly that shows there are alarms raised with people about the issues OP mentions. Many of the impacts revolve around other lowering the boundaries of children and women.

It must be very nice if you are not impacted by these issues and can just outsource your critical thinking in that way.

So what you're saying is that the Tories are sneakily doing as people ask of them and wilfully responding to issues raised by their constituents in a devious ploy to get people to vote for them?

Not only this but they are recklessly agreeing that sex is immutable, and that children need to be safeguarded?

Okay.

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It certainly is a well understood phrase. I think it is very telling that any poster would consider it to be a 'right wing' insult.

the gender stuff has been a round for a long time, but mostly in the background.

In the last 10 years or so gender ideology has made its huge inroads into our schools, media, health system, government etc while the Tories have been in charge.

Many goverment institutions and civil service have been "captured" by gender ideology under Conservative governorship.

The Tory run DforE haven completley failed to address the capture of the education system.

Below is what Robin Walker (Minister of State for School Standards) wrote in a letter to my MP on my behalf in May 2022 after I raised the matter of gender ideological in roads into schools and Stonewalls influence on schools (in summary - "its nothing to do with us"):

"The Department believes that all children should be supported whilst growing
up. Our schools and teachers are committed to supporting all pupils to thrive
and reach their potential in a safe and respectful environment. Schools play an
important role in preparing pupils for life in modern Britain. This involves
supporting pupils to understand the society in which they grow up and
teaching about respect for other people and for difference.
Relationships education is now compulsory for all primary school pupils, as
is relationships and sex education (RSE) for all secondary school pupils, and
health education for pupils in all state schools. These subjects are designed to
give pupils the knowledge they need to lead happy, safe and healthy lives. We
expect all pupils to have been taught LGBT content at a timely point, as part of
this area of the curriculum, as set out in the relationships, sex and health
education (RSHE) statutory guidance. At the point at which schools consider it
appropriate to teach their pupils about LGBT, they should ensure that this
content is fully integrated into their programmes of study for this area of the
curriculum rather than delivered as a stand-alone unit or lesson. The statutory
guidance is available at: tinyurl.com/284ecYYk.
It should be noted that the Department does not fund Stonewall for any work in
schools. In addition, our Stonewall Diversity Champions membership expired
in February 2022.
Schools are responsible for setting their own policies on these subjects, in line with the statutory guidance. We expect schools to consult with parents and to make reasonable decisions about their curriculum. Schools should ensure that when consulting parents, they provide examples of the content and resources that they plan to use, as this can be reassuring for parents and enables them to continue the conversation started in class, at home.

In all schools, when teaching these subjects, the religious background of all
pupils must be taken into account when planning teaching, so that the core
topics are appropriately handled. All schools may teach about faith
perspectives. All schools must have in place a written policy for relationships
education and RSE that is made available free of charge.
The RSHE implementation guidance sets out clear guidance for schools in
choosing resources, and states that schools should assess all resources
carefully to ensure they are age appropriate, meet the outcome of the relevant
part of the curriculum, and are in line with the school’s legal duties in relation
to impartiality. It is available at: tinyurl.com/Yckdsx8w.
The Department cannot advise schools on which resources, external speakers or organisations will be the most suitable for schools to use, not least because schools operate in a variety of different contexts and have both the expertise and knowledge that makes them best placed to make these decisions. Many
schools draw on the work of subject associations when choosing resources.
Schools are also responsible for ensuring that they check a visitor or visiting organisation’s credentials. They should also ensure that the teaching or other content delivered by the visitor fits with their planned programme and their published policy. It would not, therefore, be appropriate for the Department to issue directives about the use of drag queens and other performers in schools.
Where an individual has concerns about these matters the quickest and most effective route to take is to raise the issue directly with the school. This will give the school the opportunity to respond and, where appropriate, take action to mitigate the concerns. All schools in England must have a formal school’s
complaints procedure, which is often on the school’s website."

@AdamRyan

Of course, it could just be a common right wing insult that I don't know about because I don't move in those circles.

Wow. OK, yes it's a well understood phrase. No, it's not a ring wing insult.

If you have genuinely never come across it before your circles may be more limited/echo-chambery than you realise.

However, even without knowing the term I'm sure you'd recognise the pattern. I've been aware of it for decades just from own observations of fandoms and teen subcultures, way pre-dating the internet and certainly not tied to any particular politics.

Zero tolerance to violence against women

Pretending men are any type of woman and opening any and all access to female only spaces, IS an act of violence against women and girls.

As is wanting to change laws us force us to comply with the utter batshit that puts a man's subjective self image over and above all women's right to safety, privacy and dignity.

Removing the very right to name ourselves as a distinct sex class with distinct needs is an act of sex based violence and oppression.

Imagine telling half the fucking planet that we must give up our words and rights because a few men have an issue with their own body, a mental illness called dysphoria or get sexually aroused wearing knickers.

Labours words might mean more of they treated their female MP's with more respect. It's a Labour problem not a Starmer problem and it's been going on for years.

The entire executive committee of the Battle and Bexhill CLP resigned in protest because the party failed to act when a trans activist launched a bullying and smear campaign against a member of that committee. The bully was later photographed with Corbyn.

They say one thing but their actions always say fuck you to women.

I assume an article by Rosie Duffield is sufficiently left wing for those who prefer echo chambers.

unherd.com/2023/01/the-labour-party-has-a-woman-problem/

This isn't a thread about Labour, or what they will offer but I'll answer anyway

Zero tolerance to violence against women

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/nov/24/keir-starmer-pledges-zero-tolerance-violence-women-girls

Investment in boosting affordable quality childcare

https://www.workingmums.co.uk/labour-childcare-plans/

Protecting workers rights from day 1, including those on zero hours contracts. Far more women than men work on a zero hours contract.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66547116.amp

Labour are also planning to strengthen parental leave rights at work.

What are the conservatives planning, beyond reminding the world that women have vaginas?

Sock puppeting is name changing within a thread so it appears like multiple posters have the same view when in fact it's just one poster. It's against MN rules.

Name changing is changing UN between threads, maybe for anonymity etc. It's fine.

I have talked to a variety of UNs across different threads about how I'm on a purity spiral and always assumed it was the same right wing poster with a penchant for name changing hence why I said "hello purity spiral poster".

Of course, it could just be a common right wing insult that I don't know about because I don't move in those circles.

Sorry @anyolddinosaur I sound really pedantic, but I think it's really important that this isn't forgotten.

• women are increasingly reporting gender discrimination at work

It's SEX discrimination. Discrimination based on somebodies sex.

Gender discrimination is not a thing when the word gender can mean what ever the person saying it wants it to mean. In fact gender is now a largely meaningless word.

Found the list so...

maternal mortality has increased

• women can't get hold of essential medication reliably (HRT)
• childcare has become unaffordable and it's increasingly difficult to find

elderly/disability care support, so more women are going part time/dropping out of work to fill the gap

• as a result increasing numbers of women live in poverty
• rape and sexual assault are effectively decriminalised
• domestic abusers are not effectively dealt with so women are stalked, injured and murdered by abusers even when they've flagged the risk. There is no plan to deal with this
• women are increasingly reporting gender discrimination at work
• porn is increasingly widespread as to be normal and is increasingly violent and misogynist, entrenching damaging attitudes in our teens. Resulting in things like an increase in anal injuries in teen girls which will affect them for the rest of their lives

Which of these is Labour actually going to address and how? We've just seen that a violent criminal, cheered on by Labour, is not even convicted of inciting violence against women. They are hardly going to deal with domestic abuse or rape and sexual assault.

"Gender" discrimination at work is sex discrimination. Males reporting "gender" discrimination are supported by Labour, women reporting sex based discrimination are not supported by Labour. Schools are almost teaching porn these days -why are Labour not doing anything or saying anything about that? They would probably celebrate it.

HRT - well Labour want that to go on "gender affirming care" instead.

Tell me again what Labour plan to do that I can vote for?

what's the difference?

I didn't say they were sock puppeting. I said I thought they had name changed from previous encounters.

@AdamRyan I've never used the term "purity spiral" but it's apt, I think I'll start.

The tories cant successfully use this as a weapon unless they have actually taken more action before the election. Women are not as daft as you think. However Labour cant claim the moral high ground while they continue to actively support trans activists, cheering on those threatening violence against women, and try to exclude from the party anyone speaking in favour of women's rights.

What is Labour offering me to win my vote? They cant accept reality, how can they govern? They want to remove my rights, they care fuck all about women except at election time. Women cant get HRT - they'd stand a better chance if trans people were not taking their medication. cant easily find the rest of your list but when Labour return to government they are going to really struggle to reverse years of decline. They will double down on the easy hits to satisfy people they have done something - and they will see trans rights as an easy hit because they dont care about women.

You will vote to give away your rights - you are a turkey voting for Christmas.

Advanced search is helpful 😉
Thanks. But perhaps you might have taken your own advice when criticising another poster for sock puppeting.

If anyone is interested, look back at old threads in FWR. It's all true. Women were fighting for their rights long before governments or media or people like OP even cared that their rights were at risk.

OP doesnt actually care, her last post was
Torys torying 😃

No insight, no care for the women badly affected, no thought given to the 51% of people this matters to. She's on the right side of history, she thinks.

A previous poster mentioned Dentons, I hope this link works to explain it:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists/

Basically, the plan by activists was to infiltrate and implement on the down low. This worked spectacularly well, and as has been mentioned many in the Tory party went along with it. But when they have looked into what is involved the party - if not all of its MPs - are starting to speak up and stand against it.

Labour and the other parties are however bullying and ostracising any of their MPs whp speak out about the harms of the ideology.