To think the gender and sex Ed wars are created by tories

Hard agree that this is an open goal for Labour. They have an opportunity to wipe the floor with the Tories on women's rights, and they're not.

My focus remains on the 'why not' and I'm not succumbing to the whataboutery that deflects attention from analysing what is going on with Labour and why

Tories do not give a shite about women. They will however say or do whatever to get a vote.

Yes, I know

So this should be an open goal for Labour, or indeed any opposition party. And yet they all prefer to placate men with special feelings rather than acknowledge and address what that means for women.

The Tories don't give a shite about women, but neither does anyone else.

They will however say or do whatever to get a vote.

I realise us hard of thinkers are obviously not good enough to vote, but even I can see the whole bloody point of being a political party is to gain votes.

Your not trying to tell me that all the parties wont lie about anything to get votes? I've a bridge to sell you if you believe every word any party says.

The biggest issue is voter apathy and a divided nation with people who now seem unable or unwilling to be pragmatic and see the bigger picture. The Tories have really won here- 3 word slogans and whipping up hatred to win votes via misinformation ended with the national suicide that was brexit.

Alongside totally dismantling the NHS, infrastructure such as rail and basically privatising social care in that councils have to now buy in services such as care home provision for the elderly and placements for vulnerable children this government has been focused on making money for their mates. I work in child protection- a placement for a vulnerable teen is easily £9000 a week and all local authorities are fighting for them. Every thing has been privatised via the back door.

It is really telling that the hard of thinking would not vote for Starmer because 'he has no charisma' . This is what politics is now- rather buffoon Boris who has total contempt for the electorate, democracy, the truth etc.... or a single issue because 'At least a tory knows what a woman is'. Tories do not give a shite about women. They will however say or do whatever to get a vote.

Menopause: it happens to more than 50% of the population. It's normal. Deal with it.

I’ve thought the trans thing is an agenda, for a long time. It seems to have come out of nowhere…
And the menopause, in the media. Empowering for women? Or, look at the mad, bad, sweaty old bats!

The Tory government is shoving our children under the bus.

Instead they refuse to issue the guidelines necessary to protect them. Cos its too hard and they don't give a shit.

Cunts.

I don't believe he believes all the gender crap. He's been badly advised IMO. And they've underestimated how important it is to people.

It's not a book? No one is asking you to read war and peace?
What is the issue with reading a few paragraphs?

@StefanosHill

Yes this was changed by Raab and it's about the only good thing he did!

But the original policy was definitely signed off by a Conservative minister. It's just that they don't like to remember. And the old policy was quite old.

Btw no fan of SNP or Green or Labour on this issue. To varying degrees they are all rubbish.

What I dislike is a party with the means to address it, the power, and if they cared, the time to get relevant legislation through. That to me is women being played.

Are labour really going with keir for the election? He is so so uncharismatic. And for someone who studied law absolutely useless on this issue.

No, new guidance came into effect earlier this year which means that a minister NOW has to approve a transwomen being housed in the female prison estate and they are clear that will only occur in exceptional circumstances.

The transwomen currently housed in the female estate will only remain if they have been assessed as low risk, they will have a behaviour history during their detention which will make this possible.

I would prefer no males in the female estate under any circumstances but it's an improvement.

www.gov.uk/government/news/new-transgender-prisoner-policy-comes-into-force

Tbh I think the basic problem is that there are a lot of women who will never vote Tory but equally won’t vote Labour because of their attitude to women’s rights

i think the biggest problem with the next election is apathy & disillusion leading to a massive number of people simply not participating

Which countries do you think are rowing back?

I think it was @FOJN who put a decent list up of some US states, the WM debate and maybe Sweden. Sketchy memory but saving scrolling back. Do you know other mechanisms by which laws or processes in other countries have been overturned?

As for Labour they are making the transition process easier, that’s the aim, the question stands how do women get single sex spaces when men change legal sex?

For some reason all there is is an article / press release but no show to talk in actual detail and outlining legal basis

I've followed this debate for years and I'd say most countries are rowing back from their previous positions now the extent of the capture and the resulting damage to women has become increasingly apparent. It's no longer possible for TRAs to say "but that never happens". And it's no longer possible for politicians to credibly argue there is no risk.

It's taking longer in countries that progressed further down the self-ID path on law, because they have to unpick everything and get the votes to support that unpicking. Canada is in a right pickle.

But the converse is also true. Assuming some posters are correct in saying Labour still want to pursue self-ID by stealth, that's only going to be possible if they win the GE with a healthy majority and there is little opposition in the Lords or rebellion in the commons. I cannot foresee a situation in the current climate where that would be the case - I think plenty of MPs would rebel, I think the Lords would make it hard to push through.

Therefore I don't think voting for parties that aren't conservatives is a particularly high risk strategy, or a choice that demonstrates I'm not a good enough GC feminist.

@StefanosHill - I sometimes visit FWR but of course I am soft peddling a bit in AIBU.

My view is that the changes which are hinted at to the Equality Act will not come before the election. Even if they did, the Labour Party will choose to retain them on receiving the same advice as Badenoch did. The Labour change on self ID did come, though I was told FWR I was deluded and that would never happen. I also believe Dodds suggested very vague change will never become hard policy.

More women than men support Labour. My view is that they need to be right back in there with their views. Only someone who ignored the chance to influence or change things would fold their arms and say never. I'd even talk to Kemi B about it!

So no answer on culture war fans

I mean if you find posts coming back at you feel off it’s probably those types of posts that do it

If you recognise you are speaking to GC women first you’d probably get better responses.

I didn’t mention a party in that post, interesting you did, I’ll take the least gender ID party. l’d like more done in that direction and we’re not there yet. I’ll keep pushing for it as it’s all I can do.

@AdamRyan
This isnt about Labour you say - while telling us all we must not even think of voting for the conservatives, So who do we vote for if there is no communist or SDP candidate in our constituency?

I can believe that they will legislate on workers rights because they get funding from the trade unions. I dont trust them on childcare until i see where the money is coming from. I dont believe they are at all interested in helping women but we have to keep workers in work to pay MPs salaries.

I can not trust Labour to do anything about violence against women and girls while they cheer violent criminals promoting violence against women. Nor will I forget that they whipped Scottish Labour to vote for rapists in womens prisons.

This is great - so I'm copying it.
"Imagine telling half the fucking planet that we must give up our words and rights because a few men have an issue with their own body, a mental illness called dysphoria or get sexually aroused wearing knickers."

How can I trust Labour on anything?

Why do you think voting Conservative is going to "defend your rights and safeguard your DC"
At the moment the police are so underfunded, by this conservative government, they can't take action against all the men they know are watching child sexual abuse online.

Social services and schools are so underfunded and over stretched they can't act effectively reported safeguarding concerns and children have been murdered as a result.

There is so little capacity in children's mental health that unless your child actively tries pretty hard to kill themselves, you'll get no support

How exactly are the Conservatives a good bet for safeguarding children?

I’d recommend it. Gender is a massive issue in many western countries atm. The SNP, Labour in Scotland and Wales are also worth looking at closer to home.

The media is often fully captured, which isn’t the case here and there is very little in the way of debate eg the recent WM debate. So in some ways we are moving away from the full on gender path.

Then there’s international law which we are part of

I think we can row back but it’s not a certainty by any means. A GE could set us on path similar to other countries

Basically FWR is a good place to start. Threads on sports o/s or politics come up. It’s huge but worth the time and the fight imo

@StefanosHill - I don't. You know why I raised the prison example. It's the same reason that TRA wanted it.

The placing of male sex offenders in women's prisons was a positive choice. It had to be signed off by a Minister.

So. Deeds not words. Damn the Conservatives for what they did. Now they have some words.

Do you take much notice of the situation in other countries and gender taking over?

by culture war fans

Who is this even about?

Why paint posters in this way when it’s just GC women wanting to defend their rights and safeguard dc

Well said

I completely agree Arabella, and with your earlier post about it would be good if it was as simple as left/right

I've lost friends over my "transphobia" for saying women have vaginas, not penises. Yet on here I get painted as some kind of social justice warrior by culture war fans. Its infuriating and makes me fighty