To think the gender and sex Ed wars are created by tories

And what were your reasons for voting Conservative?

Second guessing other people’s reasons for their votes is presumptuous.

You don’t have it right here.

I was talking about some members of the government, clearly. Please don't put words in my mouth.

I don't think I'm virtuous at all. I don't vote based on what makes me feel good aboyt myself/virtuous. That would be weird. I take my vote quite seriously as a right women died for me to have. I vote for what I think will be best for society and what aligns most closely with my beliefs.

And I think "I'm voting conservative- they know what a woman is" is a figleaf for more base reasons for voting. Like "I'm voting leave - we need sovereignty". I think the actual reasons for most people are based on what directly benefits them or some less noble reason (like they think the country is "full"). To say that makes them ashamed so it's easier to pretend it's for some social good.

I wish people would just own their choice, rather than insult people. I actually think the polls at the moment show that centre right/traditional conservatives are also turned off by the current lurch to the right. I'm not unusual by finding it repugnant.

There are some folk you meet in life who you just don’t like.

You obviously think your views are right and virtuous and everyone who thinks differently is wrong and a far right fascist and your definition of a far right fascist seems to be people who disagree with you. Stick in your black and white world if it makes you happy.

First MN, or FWR in particular, was being overrun with Conservatives. Now it's fascists?!

Well that's the same argument as the one arabella was making. Just because Badenoch and Braverman are black and brown, that doesn't mean they can't have far right, even racist views.
And no, they aren't "enacting the policies they were given". They are in charge. They are creating the policies.
I think its disgusting and bordering on fascist to imply that Pakistani grooming gangs are the cause of a lot of CSA in this country. Attributing harm to particular groups and creating a fear of an outsider and threat to tradition is a hallmark of fascist regimes.
I think its very damaging to say there is no such thing as institutional racism, and to make an "anti woke" agenda one of your priorities. That has the potential to remove lots of legal protections that women fought hard for. Removing the EA would do women and other disadvantaged groups a lot more harm than good.
I think undermining our courts and legal systems as "lefty lawyers blocking the government" is incredibly stupid and potentially removing one of the main balances we have from stopping a Government going rogue.

That's some examples of what I find scary. I definitely don't agree left = good, right bad, I'm a centrist as I said upthread so can go either way.

I think this habit of some GC posters to get so defensive and start flinging insults when their sheros in the Conservative party betrays that there is no good reason really to support them, other than they like the far right populism.

It is like Brexit, in that certain people don't like their views to be analysed.

I try.

God knows, Jay, sorry! I think it depends if you identify as one of the Good People.

Oh good so I’m ok then.

I think we're at - when some people vote Conservative it's fine.

When other people say they may vote Conservative it's 'scary'.

Seriously are we back to

Right wing = Evil
Left Wing = All that is good in the world.

Where are these "other" GC sites?

Asking because I cant find them.

I'm on this site a fair bit Adam Ryan and haven't seen all these posters saying only foreign men are rapists. I'm also surprised that you think right wing = suspicious of foreigners/ racists and then hold up Suella Braverman and Kemi Badenoch as examples of evil right wingers clearly not noticing the major flaw in your argument. I think both politicians are getting on with doing what they were elected to do. They get a lot of flack for just getting on with the priorities they are given, if female Labour or Lib Dem MPs were getting the same sort of abuse for just carrying out party priorities there would be an uproar.

'There's a lot of GC people saying they will vote Conservative because of right wing populists like Braverman and Badenoch. That scares me.'

'they tend to have a load of other associated unpleasant views or think weird things, like Suella Braverman deserves voting for because she's not woke.'

'I voted Conservative once, that doesn't make me right wing'

Why does it 'scare you' if other women say they will vote Conservative, when you have done so yourself? Do you really think this is a coherent and reasonable stance?

You've previously voted Tory; I certainly don't think you're 'lefty'.

I think I've backed my position a lot more than you've backed yours

Like, you say KJK used to be a Labour member. Where's your evidence?

Its not smearing anyone to point out this board is more right wing and less "feminist" (as in political feminist) than it used to be.

Why do you think I (a woman) can't question other women posting on here? Because you don't recognise my UN? Because you think I'm a "lefty" and therefore woke? Or because me questioning the right wing views on here makes you defensive?

YABU. This has been brewing for over a decade, and it's global. If anything the Tories are late to the party.

But you're just firing out a load of vague smears and nonsense. Never backing a single assertion up with anything.

I don't like far right views, no. And it makes no odds to me if the person who holds them is male or female. If I hear views that I think are racist or anti-feminist then I am going to say that.

Your response also encapsulates what I mean about the board changing. You are either implying I'm a misogynist (which is actually hilarious as I'm a mid-forties strident feminist woman) or you think womens views are not to be challenged on here.

Lots of individual women hold views that are damaging to women-as-a-class. I don't think those views become less damaging just because they are women. And I find it odd to see them on here.

This used to be a place of debate, not groupthink.

Who am I berating?

You have voted Conservative, and you're on here berating other (straw) women for being 'far right'?!

Good grief.

The TRAs make it an issue that damages women and children

The left isn’t great at acknowledging that as it’s generally captured

Left wing parties are also becoming more accepting of the debate. Previously no party would allow it, as I demonstrated up thread.

I think it is much less risky for the Conservatives to adopt an openly GC position, purely because as your diagram shows, traditional right wing voters also have that view.

I think the Conservatives know that and are trying to make it a wedge issue that damages everyone.