To think the gender and sex Ed wars are created by tories

Yabvvvvu. Do you think it's OK that children are accessing binders and hormones for no real medical reason? That men who rape are placed with female prisoners? That rapists are called she in court otherwise contempt? It is not the tory media it is actually happening and has been for about 20 years, just the tory media was on side too before.

Of course they’re not, but unlike being gay, gender beliefs are not the same as immutable sexuality. The far bigger issue with trans ideology is how vulnerable young people, often with autism and/or mental health issues are being severely failed in getting help and support and the huge pockets of unregulated parts of the internet are helping them being groomed by adults into thinking their issues stem from a gender identity disorder. And for that I very much blame the government for failing to uphold our healthcare system to a functioning level. With adequate understanding of autism for parents and children before they reach puberty, many cases of supposed gender dysphoria and identity displacement could have been seen for what it is - symptomatic of neurodiversity and/or MH issues usual from a traumatic childhood. Instead we have a whole generation of children groomed online because they have little to no understanding of themselves in the real world.

As for the original op, as I said above the government is in some way accountable for this new political buzz, and now they’re using it for their advantage. However as things stand I wouldn’t vote for Labour because of their stance on sex based rights up to this time.

Hard disagree. If Labour weren’t being such twats on this issue it wouldn’t be such an open goal for the Tories. I want my government to have a grasp of and respect for scientific reality but Labour has David Lammy saying he thinks you can get a cervix if you transition and Keir Starmer saying only women having them is something that shouldn’t be said.
This is not just inherently ignorant and wrong, it suggests they are generally ignorant of science and/or are willing for it to become unsayable. Which are dangerous positions if applied more widely.

Do you honestly encounter this is your day to day life? I've yet to be impacted by anything of the sort.

@Aquaphant you're very lucky not to be impacted by it. Right now it's destroying my family. It's also destrying the lives of the other parents I meet in support groups. I would give away everything I own to be rid of this toxic bullshit in my life.

Exactly. I am bored of hearing this idea that they are the path of righteousness on this.

Fact is, if you believe some, they could make a simple change to the law to refine matters to biological sex but strangely have had no time to do this at all.

I disagree.

By far the biggest exploitation is by the trans lobby.

They are using the fact that many right wing groups are against what is happening, in order to push the narrative that it's ONLY right wing people and organisations who disagree with "trans rights".

This is in order to try and make ordinary people believe that they must support this nonsense and if they don't they're right wing bigots.

No. I think it's incredibly important. You can't protect what you can't name. I never thought that I'd see women's rights and child safeguarding go backwards in my lifetime,but here we are.

Maya Forster lost her job for stating that she believed biological sex was real, binary and immutable. She went to a tribunal where the original judge said that this belief was "not worthy of respect in a democratic society'. She appealed and the original judgement was overturned.

The real world consequence was a woman losing her job and fighting for all of us to have the right to believe that biological sex is real. If she hadn't done that and won, in the end, then perhaps your average person in the street would have found themselves having to toe the line at work if they wanted to keep their job. I think that's pretty sinister.

This whole issue has been brewing since around 1997.

Just because you all weren't looking, I was. I saw the end game even then.

Look in fwr old posts if you want more info.

This is not a new thing.

It has literally become mainstream in the last few months, but plenty of us in fwr have been shouting into the void for a long time. We were called names, we were hived off so the gen pop couldn't find us. But we bloody tried over and over again.

It wasn’t the Tories who were happy to lock up Isla Bryson and Katie Dolatowski in women’s jails was it.
Do the rights of female inmates not matter?
Was it the Tories that ran GIDS so badly that it had to be shut down?
Did the Tories claim puberty blockers were irreversible when the evidence (when they bothered to collect it) showed this might not be the case.
Who think’s permanent harm being caused to vulnerable young people isn’t a matter or all of society?

51% of the population were told by some politicians they didn’t have the right to claim the word woman and that they were rights hoarding dinosaurs (thank you Mr Lammy for that one)

This is the biggest challenge to women’s rights in decades and Labour have been woeful.

They weren't created by Tories, no. Its simply that they are currently attempting, ineptly, to take advantage of them. The previous Tory version of this involved Theresa May trying to bring in self ID.

Well the TRAs seem so full of batshit own goals if they actually gave a shit about the health and happiness of the trans community that it's hard not to conclude that they're right wing stooges. But there's more going on than that and it has arisen from Michel fucking Foucault et al. People like my dad spouting Derrida in his 70s anthropology seminars. Postmodernism has basically led some dumb fucks down a path that justifies their innate authoritarianism.

Yes, because all trans people are rapists and child abusers apparently.

Stereotyping like this is dangerously similar to how gay men were accused.

I don’t think they created this at all. They took the typical traditional position on trans issues when they started to become a thing and just used their common sense about people being able to change their sex. They might have jumped on a bandwagon and be exploiting it now, but they didn’t start it.

This. Putting male rapists in womens prisons is definitely something to get worked up about as a feminist. We are supposed to think about the most vulnerable in society. The Labour Party are supposed to think about the most vulnerable in society and yet all they seem to go on about is neo liberal identity politics and their luxury beliefs.

I agree with every word of this. Regardless of the political weoponisation of the issue, it is an issue and one we shouldn't ignore

Well yes because my job involves exactly this sort of thing. Planning services & therefore expenditure based on population needs - it can’t be done if we can’t accurately determine how many biological men and biological women there are.

you’re right the average person in the street does know exactly what a woman is but that hasn’t stopped a massive roll back on single sex spaces

I think that they have been caused by academia,.increasingly in the last 30 years, and ideologically captured graduates are now in Media, tech, journalism, teaching, HR, in government, therapy, medicine and in management throughout the Western world.

I 100% believe Tories ‘know what a woman is’. I also see that they are actively making every day life more difficult for women with their policies.

I believe that anyone who doesn’t think this is one of the most importa
nt issues at the moment hasn’t been paying full attention. It is a dangerous cult in many different ways, and if not checked now then we could be lead into situations such as in California, where a man has been imprisoned for not wanting to allow his daughter to transition. The more you read, the more insane it appears.

I agree OP

Quite.