To think the gender and sex Ed wars are created by tories

This, and it’s not just here

And now schools are teaching it

Plus that Labour montage of woeful in @nothingcomestonothing sums it up. Utter wazzocks

I think all parties need to come out and state that trans people have a right to live their lives in peace but have no right whatsoever to enter women’s private spaces, or demand that their identified gender be recognised over their biological sex.

this will put all of the trans Hysteria to bed and we can concentrate on real issues.

The tories painting it as something only they can sort out is ludicrous as it’s happened under their watch! They really are a vile, scheming party.

It's happening across the western world including in Scotland where SNP are in charge and is far worse in parts of the USA. It's part of a global trend. Some of the Tories are at least starting to push back (even if it's to win votes) which for me is a good thing.

Fine, vote however you want.
And I will vote how I choose. That is how democracy works.

If you are not worried about this, you are not paying attention
How patronising.

If anything I think they were very late to realise the threat the TWAW and TRA crowd pose to women's rights, given how long these issues have been debated here. I'm glad they are finally taking it seriously.

I agree that's more important, but to me it's not more important than climate change or health etc so I wouldn't let this one issue of sex and gender be how I decide my voting @Unexpectedlysinglemum to you it's not but then presumably you're not locked in a prison with a rapist or dealing with a child who is hell bent on destroying their life. For some people this is more important than other issues.

What about distressed rape victims who can’t have single sex rape crisis centres?
What about a women who was denied treatment when she asked for same sex staff?
What about the hospital rape victim who initially have her assault denied because the hospital tried to claim there were no men present?

Does their distress count or is that not worthy of interest?

Well many of us have cared for much longer than the current in the news stuff.

We care that women (the cunty kind) matter in all ways.
If you cannot describe a woman, you cannot get any targeted help to her.
If you were raped would you really want to attend any counselling with a man?
If you needed time in hospital, possibly unable to move far, do you want a man in your ward?
If you happen to be locked up for some reason, do you want to share a cell with a man?

This has been going on for so many years now. Will you wake up and smell the damn coffee.

The gender thing is a big problem for women imo..however! The tories painting it as something only they can sort out is ludicrous as it’s happened under their watch! They really are a vile, scheming party.

Yes, that's how I feel too.
I'd rather everyone felt cared for so that they are more likely to go get the health check ups they need.

I think your premise is deeply flawed and deeply misogynist because it implies that women like me are unthinking consumers who are only concerned by the relentless march of gender ideology because we've been spoonfed a line by propagandists.

I don't hate gender ideology because I'm too thick to think for myself. I hate it because it's damaging children. I don't just uncritically read mainstream press. I cross check to other sources and original material wherever possible. I'm not alone in that.

There are countless incidents like this on here where people say 'oh no, couldn't have been like that' and then it turns out that it was in fact exactly like that. Women on MN frequently break the stories way before the mainstream press gets hold of them. I remember the seriously dubious drag show on the south bank last summer which people said children couldn't see (they could) and the drag show for babies which people said didn't include sexual stuff and in any case the babies were too young to know what was going on (they did and they weren't). Both of them were discussed at length on here before they hit the MS press. And there are countless other examples.

Incidentally the gender critical feminists I know are the most intelligent women I know by some margin.

The Tories are actually pretty late to the party on this issue. Actually the right wing in general is, both here and in other countries.

Ironic how people calling it a Tory creation are spouting left-wing propaganda such as "They're calling all trans people perverts and dangers!" and "It's just like the homophobia of old" without realising they are also spouting clichés with no real basis behind them, and may also be being manipulated.

It is far more important though
Fundamental reality and women's rights are far more important than climate change or health yes. Of course.
Why do you think people who can lie like the example photo above can tell the truth about climate change or health? They are like flat earthers ffs.

The 'gender wars' have been created by Stonewall.

They have stopped supporting same sex attraction.

They have influenced all UK government bodies to not only allow but positively encourage men to self ID into women only spaces.

They actively misrepresent the law.

They are encouraging children to queer themselves and to normalise men dressed as women (ie drag) and other fetishes (furries, etc.)

If you are not worried about this, you are not paying attention.

Behave

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The Tories were not the group that said that sex suddenly after thousands of years should be replaced by gender.

Well, some of them have. They certainly don't have clean hands on this issue. But otherwise I agree with your post.

Behave.

If any man can access women's spaces just by saying they are a woman then safeguarding means nothing. Women are not objecting on the basis of someone being trans but on the basis that transwomen are male.

Do you think sex segregated spaces and services exist because we think ALL men are rapists and sexual predators? Some men are but they don't tend to alert us to their nefarious intentions so we look at the stats and say the safest thing to do is to provide male free spaces and services for women in certain situations. It has nothing to do with thinking the worst of everyone within a certain group.

This type of disingenuous accusation undid Nicola Sturgeon because after she had claimed it wouldn't happen and that appropriate risk assessments and safeguards were in place we found a double rapist was being housed in a women's prison. She was then unable to answer if the individual concerned was a woman which destroyed all the claims the SNP's made during the GRR debate that it would never happen.

Interestingly Adam Graham was refused a place on a women's self defence course because the gym owner thought he would be a risk to female participants. Perhaps we should give that man a job in the Scottish Prison Service he seems to have far more common sense than the idiots tasked with risk assessing the placement of trans prisoners.

The Tories are taking an opportunity because Labour's brains fell out on this.

This doesn't mean there is a real problem with religious level genderism and how this affects women in a negative way.

If Labour were on the ball and acknowledged that sex isn't merely an inconvenient nuisance, but a real issue then the Tories wouldn't be able to do this.

I would argue that it's Labour wide open goal in denying Reality and expecting everyone to indulge Fantasy Role Play and gross sexist gender stereotypes that has caused the issue.

The Tories were not the group that said that sex suddenly after thousands of years should be replaced by gender. The group that came up with that shift in opinion without openly bringing along the population in sufficient numbers caused the problem. The Tories are just pointing this attempt to pass this over without proper public engagement and public consultation by the back door in very institutions.

Hospitals where a woman was raped and the nhs denied that was possible?
Education where teachers are scared of students accusing them of transphobia? I'm a teacher, yes it is used by kids to gain power.
Policing where burglaries are ignored but women are arrested for tweeting that men are men?
I think this permeates all of those to a huge extent.

@Unexpectedlysinglemum transmen are biological women. We need to know how many women there are however they identify. Therefore their medical records need to state their sex as well as their gender

of course once invited for screening their preferred name etc should be used

tbh I’ve not met a trans men who isn’t fully aware they’re female & need cervical screening. The problem is the likes of stonewall telling the NHS they should record gender rather than sex meaning that transmen don’t get called

Did the Tory party force multiple Labour politicians to come out with reality-denying misogynist shit? Or hold a gun to Ed Davey's head and make him say women have penises? Did they make the Green party refer to women as non men? The Tories are taking full advantage of the fact that every other party is committed to appeasing TRAs, but they haven't caused this mess they're just making hay with it. There are many who would love to vote for any party but the Tories, if any party were available who haven't sold women out.

And I opted out of cervical screening after a tw nurse (biological male to be clear) was sent to do a womans smear test.

So that's me so distressed I opted out, hows your politics or opinions on that?