To think the gender and sex Ed wars are created by tories

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They didn't create it but it's an easy win when the other parties won't say that women are adult human females. It's absolutely gobsmacking that this is even up for debate.

It's also shocking that people aren't bothered by an issue unless it affects them directly. I would have thought that most intelligent adults can be concerned about issues that they don't experience in real life.

Trans people are the people being manipulated here. There were trans people going about their lives peacefully until activists declared war on women and turned trans issues into a money making mission that also discriminates against gay people.

There are good reasons why certain spaces are segregated by sex. We should not bulldoze over those spaces just because we might not need them right now in our lives and stand up for people who need support. It could be you in prison or needing a shelter. By then it's too late to demand that the service is single sex.

The issues you describe - I think they're evey important but to me not more important than climate change or education or health funding - but no one is taking about those (which the tories are failing at) as the gender stuff is so constantly in the headlines scaring parents into thinking that only the tories can save their child from identifying as a cat

Well they may have been late to the party but the Conservatives did undertake the Cass review which resulted in the Tavistock Clinic being closed because it was failing young people. Sadly it was too late for those who have already undergone irreversible treatment that has no scientific basis to support it. Young people who have been sterilised and will suffer lifelong health problems as a result of experimental treatment but yes we're all just concerned about children identifying as cats.

As someone else said if you are not worried about this then you haven't been paying attention and you clearly have not been paying attention as demonstrated by the multiple examples of your ignorance on this thread.

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If the leaders of the Greens. Lib Dems, SNP and Labour were all clear that only adult human females are ever women and rights can only ever be based on facts not feelings the matter would long since have gone away.

The gender stuff is so constantly in the headlines scaring parents into thinking that only the tories can save their child from identifying as a cat @Unexpectedlysinglemum you show an astonishing lack of compassion for the parents and vulnerable young people who are actually affected by this.

I don’t think you understand intersex conditions. There aren’t people going round with two sets of sexual organs (the ‘hermaphrodite’ myth).

You are welcome to avoid talking about the reality of biology if you prefer, but Starmer didn’t just say he avoids it, he said it shouldn’t be said, which is a pretty shocking statement- for a potential prime minister to opine on our right to state the truth is a serious thing in a country which hitherto has rated free speech highly.

It's not trans people we want to keep out of female only spaces. It's all men.

We don't want gay men in our female only sports. We don't want disabled men in our female only prisons. We don't want black men in our female only changing areas. We don't want Muslim men in our female only hospital wards. These men are male. No matter what their protected characteristics have, we don't want any men in our female only spaces. No matter how lovely these males are, women and children are entitled to dignity, respect as well as the safety afforded us by safeguarding measures.

It's not transphobic or homophobic or racist or discriminatory to insist that women be allowed to keep their single sex, female only spaces which they are entitled to in law.

Transwomen are biologically male. This is what it boils down to and it's not transphobic to say that. They need to campaign for their own spaces just like women campaigned for theirs and people with disabilities campaigned for accessible services. It's not ok to just try and take away from another group with a protected characteristic and call anyone who objects a bigot.

This needs saying out loud so that people understand how important it.

The Torys are running with it because they know it makes sense. Any party trying to defend the erosion of womens rights and the dismantling of safeguarding is not going to come out of a campaign looking good.

It's hard to defend male rapists in womens prisons or a person convicted of child sex abuse being allowed to change their name and self identify into places where women and children are vulnerable. It's not ok. Everyone knows it's not ok. It's indefensible.

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@Unexpectedlysinglemum it's not a random issue to vote over if you're affected by it. I am in two ways, firstly because I have child drawn into this bullshit and secondly because I am a woman who is losing my rights.

It's the other way around. The issue has been hyped by liberals to distract from the fact that they are going to do nothing to improve ordinary people's lives. They need the culture war more than the Tories do.

But that's Transphobic.

hermaphrodite? Intersex? Please don’t use those terms. People with DSD (differences or disorders of sexual development) have repeatedly asked not to be dragged into this. A medical condition that affects sexual development is nothing whatsoever like being transgender

also people with DSD are still either male or female. There is no mysterious third sex

Also both of those terms are offensive. Disorders of sexual development only affect either males or females. It's a bit shocking you are on this board trying to influence people using outdated language like that.

Please read up on intersex or dsds.
That is categorically not true.

Exactly that @Muddyfeetgood so simple and yet none of the political parties can do it

The Tories wouldn't be able to gain votes on this issue if the rest of the UK's political parties weren't such a total shitshow on the topic.

The interesting thing is opposition to Stonewall Law came from Left Wing and Liberal Women BEFORE it ever reached the Tory Party HQ to set a strategy.

These women tried to get EVERY political party to see the issues that Stonewall Law was trying to sweep under the carpet or totally silence quite deliberately through intimidation.

The only party that realised that they had a point has been the Tory Party. Which is a special kind of irony.

Labour were given the opportunity to ask questions. They didn't want to know.