To think the gender and sex Ed wars are created by tories

So why is it only the Conservatives who are trying to turn the gender ideology juggernaut around.

They're not. They've been saying that they are for years but have done fuck all. They haven't even been able to publish guidance for schools. It's just more Tory lies.

Good question

Conservative - TWAW, TMAM said a Tory minister at the Despatch Box in response to the HoL asking for genderwoo to be removed from a Maternity Bill.

Conservative - I don't know the definition of girl and we don't need a legal definition said the Tory Sec of State for Education. What we need is a good old British fudge where girls can wait while boys claiming to be girls use the facilities first.

Conservative - it's OK to put violent male sex offenders into women's jails.

Conservative - Woman retweets JKR and is reported to the police by a Conservative MP.

Conservative - PM Johnson refuses to say that only women have a cervix. PM Sunak says a woman is whatever Boris Johnson says.

Conservative - I'm going to be a woman said a dodgy as fuck male MP. Cue round of applause and calls of stunning bravery.

Conservative - Include trans in Conversion Therapy Ban.

Conservative - fucking women over in every way possible.

Tories: torying

US postmodernist academics: sex is a racist white supremacist concept and women can have penises!

Fetishists and autogynephiles: HELLZ YEAH!

Women: Whuttttt???

Labour: We agree with this and if you're worried about your rights, you're a bigot! Rights are not pie!

Women: No way are we gonna let this slide

Tories - [realise this is a political wedge issue] - biological sex matters!

Women: We agree, even though we may disagree with you on lots of other things!

Labour - it's all the evil Toriez what did this

I'm starting to think that people who can't see the misogyny and homophobia of this movement as being deliberately and willfully abusive. What else is it?

Labour - Trans women are women, they've just been "assigned" the wrong sex at birth. We should give children who don't conform to (either) masculinity or femininity puberty blockers with a view to sterilising them later.

SNP - Trans women are women, they've just been "assigned" the wrong sex at birth. We should give children who don't conform to (either) masculinity or femininity puberty blockers with a view to sterilising them later.

Green - Trans women are women, they've just been "assigned" the wrong sex at birth. We should give children who don't conform to (either) masculinity or femininity puberty blockers with a view to sterilising them later.

Lib Dem - Trans women are women, they've just been "assigned" the wrong sex at birth. We should give children who don't conform to (either) masculinity or femininity puberty blockers with a view to sterilising them later.

Conservative - Trans women are male, females have the right to sex protected spaces, children should not be rushed into medical transition.

"The Tories have created this!"

No.
For reasons that are wholly unfucking-known, it takes the right wing to opt for the protection of women over the feelings of men.

It is the Labour Party driving the woke agenda which other parties have to respond to
labour do not worry about china and Russia buying up the world natural resources mad long as we are all do very pc
china is taking over the world
anyone who is young now is going to have a very difficult future due to the dominance of china but all they are indoctrinated with is the woke ideology

Do you think safeguarding is going back because of current sex education? Or because of the risks of men posing as trans women being violent in women's spaces?

We now have a subset of men who are suddenly and unquestionably immune from all the usual social norms and legal restrictions of all other men, on nothing but their word or imagined 'woman' feelings.

What exactly is the difference between a transwomen and a man posing as a transwoman?
There is no way of separating the dysphoric men from the sexually motivated transvestites or AGP's. Which is why it's vital that female spaces remain exactly that, and that schools etc uphold the legal exemptions that allow the exclusion of ALL males in specific circumstances.

Schools in one breath teach girls about boundaries and consent, then in the next tell them that their boundaries and consent are irrelevant if a man who claims to be a woman wants access to their spaces and bodies.

Also, to those shouting about how 'it's just like objections to gay rights'
No it isn't. At all.
Being a gay man was illegal. They were imprisoned, tortured, drugged, forced out of employment etc.
Gay men never demanded we alter our language, pretend they were women, want child safeguarding dismantled, or removal of women's rights or want access fo female only spaces.
They just wanted the same basic human rights as every other man.

Transwomen already have the exact same rights as every other MAN.
What they WANT is for everyone else to pretend they are not men, for any reason, including sex based crime statistics and child safeguarding.

Then there are the issues of legally enforced religious beliefs, loss of free speech and thought etc.

Those who don't care because is 'doesn't affect them" until it does....

Imagine no female only anything, ever.
Imagine it being illegal to speak the truth.

There are lesbian groups in Australia and Canada who cannot organize events that should naturally exclude men. Because the penis owners who fetishise lesbians and call themselves women must be 'included'.
If you cannot see the blatant homophobia and misogyny here, you might need to look into why you prioritise male feelings above female reality and rights.

Gender ideology affects all the political parties and impacts all women and children.

They did not “create” this from nowhere. Feminists, including women on mumsnet, were raising concerns for years before the Conservative party took any notice. They have exploited the situation, you’re right- something they would not have been able to do if the “progressive” parties hadn’t been so completely uninterested in listening to what we had to say, and so happy to tell us to take our concerns off into the political wilderness and stay there.

Well obviously. Those if us saying this is not a Tory creation frequently point out that gender ideology has infiltrated national and international organisations on a global scale; you on the other hand are obsessed with laying the blame at the Tories door. I agree they were happy to go along with it for sometime but are now listening and taking action which is more than can be said for other political parties.

The GRR undid Nicola Sturgeon and when added to other problems the SNP has been destroyed yet they are still committed to bringing in self ID despite the absence of public support for it. I don't believe they are completely insane or stupid so my question is why? Aren't you interested in the answer to that question?

I understand why most political parties thought it was a cheap and easy vote winner but that hasn't turned out to be the case so why is it only the Conservatives trying to turn the gender ideology juggernaut around?

Not disagreeing with you, but want to highlight it's not just about the physical risk to women from men, or the desire not to be faced with a swinging todger in a space both you and the todger-bearer know was set up as todger-free for good reasons, and the bearing of a rodger within is the TRA equivalent of going "na na na na na you can't stop me!"...

It's also about whether women will be able to say "growing up female in patriarchy disadvantages us, and if society wants us to reach our full potential to contribute, we need opportunities and support that is different to people who grew up male. We need opportunities to learn what we can do and to show what we can do without being sidelined and spoken over by those with more confidence but less to offer. We need recognition that decision-makers still subconsciously trust and promote men over women, and we need that to stop happening." None of these things can be done if we cannot identify and at times support women separately from men.

Which makes you wonder why the Green Party (who ought to be talking about the planet more than anyone) seem to be prioritising getting men into women's spaces above all else.

Funny how I never see this line trotted out to defend the SNP or the opposition parties. Just the Tories.

Take a look at Wales before you blame the Tories for this!

Under Welsh Labour and Mark Drakeford it's far far worse. Look at the Welsh sex education curriculum and be thankful you live in England!

There was a tv clip of Ed Balls trotting out trans ideology that his teen had fed him, and being shocked that not everyone thought like him. That’s what made me realise Labour weren’t doing any critical thinking on this because if they had they would see that trans ideology is mysoginistic fantasy.

you can either believe in women’s rights or trans ideology, not both

It's happening to our children and anyone who objects is being told they are a right wing nazi bigot, despite many of us being at pride marches, despite many of us being lesbian, gay or bisexual ourselves. Many of us being Labour or SNP or Green voters our whole lives.

So then we are told "It's the Tories who have manufactured this."

Please tell me exactly how the Times and Mail reporting on the bullshit happening in schools or prisons or hospitals is somehow wrong?

The question should be why did the left prioritise males who wanted to be women over women? Why did they start talking about " cis" women despite most women rejecting or not recognising the term and supporting self ID and males going in to female sports, prisons and changing rooms if they just said they identified as women? The left could have supported women but they chose not to.

It wasn't the right wing press that tried to trans my autistic daughter at school.

It was her 10 year old friend group of girls who saw fit to bully her because she wasn't saying she was a boy as they had all announced they were non binary or boys. She still has mental health issues five years later of being constantly told she was in the wrong body. Guess why?
Because she cut her hair short. That's it. The girls in her friend group decided she was a boy and then ostracised her for not agreeing.

Were they all reading the Times? The Mail? Or were they flamed by Tik Tok and their young activist teachers and their "Be Kind" parents? She developed an eating disorder thanks to these idiots. The girls in her social group were squealing that they wanted breast binders for Christmas.
Her favourite comic book characters are frequently drawn now as trans with mastectomy scars.

This is not a culture war being fanned by the right wing, it's happened at home, on the ground, amongst ordinary people whose children are being actively harmed by an ideology that is based on magical beliefs.
Are we meant to shut up and not say anything?

It really really winds me up now that child abuse is being hidden by people who insist on pretending that nothing is happening.

It's happening to our children.

This: Postmodernism has basically led some dumb fucks down a path that justifies their innate authoritarianism.

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Also let's think for a minute about what is happening in the press - how about the Guardian for a start -

What do you think of this article about Hannah, the adult trans identified male who talks to children on Roblox and sees themselves as a kind of mother to younger players.

amp.theguardian.com/games/2021/apr/24/in-the-game-i-knew-myself-as-hannah-the-trans-gamers-finding-freedom-on-roblox

It wasn't the right wing press that alarmed me. It was the Guardian and others pumping this shit out and glorifying it.

It wasn't the right wing press sending death threats to J.K. Rowling.

The right wing press reported on trans identified rapists demanding to be put in women's prisons. Should I not be horrified by male rapists in women's prisons?

The language that is being used by the NHS at the behest of stonewall et al to describe women and our services such as bleeders, breeders, egg producers, cervix havers, etc because TRAs demand that transwomen must not feel excluded from a service that they will never need or use and we can't upset transmen by pointing out biological reality and bursting their bubble, is harmful and degrading to women. So my question for you what about the 60% of people including many for whom English isn't their first language who don't know what a cervix is or if they have 1 and what about the women who find these derogatory terms horrid mentally and just want to be treated with respect and referred to as the women that they are. Then you need to think about how many women are being excluded by the language and changes that are demanded by these TRA groups to the detriment of all biological women especially when trans makes up 0.2% of the population compared to 51% who are biological women.
Youreally need to ask yourself why are we not all fighting against the dictact of a vocal minority who demand that their wants must come before everyone else's needs

The SDP are and have been consistently TWAM. KJK is standing in one constituency, hopefully others will stand alongside her. We still have a year to go before the next GE so expect more sunlight and more politicians changing their stance.

Don't expect the sitting Tory government or any future Tory government to fix this. They're not going to, if they were they'd have done it by now.

I disagree purely because most of the tories I have seen have also struggled to define a woman. And frankly I think Labour would do just as shit of a job!

Yes, I too feel strongly about other issues.
The difference is if women are unrecognisable, we will have nothing.
Which other parties are you thinking of? Green? Stonewalled. Lib dem? Stonewalled. Womens equality party? Yup, stonewalled.

For a pp, the labour party brought in the gra in 2004 hth.

For a different pp
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me?page=23&reply=101057943

And
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread?page=33&reply=128549663

As you say it’s not something that really affects me or I think about now.
However I am concerned that there is a possibility that we might sleepwalk into situations where women’s rights are eroded and then it will be too late.