To think the gender and sex Ed wars are created by tories

Front page in Scotland today: a girl in care after being sexually assaulted at the age of 5 claims that a social worker said she had been born in the wrong body and would only be happy if she changed it.
A social worker. In a care home.That is very important.
Google TheSunday Post and you can read for yourself.

Not unique to Britain, some bastards in Belgium torched a school over it.

Wrong kind of young people, Arabella. They don't count and trans activists will deny their existence, never mind their distress and discomfort.

On the subject of everyone being old.

Here are hundreds of school children in the US staging a walk out to 'protect girls' rights'.

'Hundreds of students in Pennsylvania walked out of school in protest over a new rule allowing transgender students to use the bathroom of their choice.
High school students in Perkiomen Valley School District staged the protest after officials opted not to adopt a policy that would force students to use restrooms which correspond with their biological sex.
They accused education chiefs of 'compromising' their rights and putting female students at risk during the demonstration last week.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12535503/Pennsylvania-school-walkout-trans-bathroom.html

Maybe Sheila is not a genuine second wave feminist??

Or maybe some feminists think she has changed her views? Oh... no... this is from a couple of days ago... don't think she has changed her views really....

Every loss of rights women have experienced is because trans activists lobbied politicians and decision-makers to change laws and policies.

Exactly. Anyone who cares about women’s rights would be utterly daft to step aside and say fine you TRAs get the law we’ll have a little club over here

So strange I’m not sure it’s a real suggestion

Honestly, it is ludicrous. It is almost like women just sat around and discussed it and magic happened and things changed .... just because women discussed in their groups and protested. Not done any campaigning, not met with committees and influenced policies, not set up their groups, their support networks, not any of that..... just chatted about theory and maybe did a 'radical' protest of some sort to make some people take notice so the people in power made changes.

And fuck me.... not continuing the work of Sheila?

Hey, Sheila ... tell us what you think about the state of women's rights at the moment.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gender-Hurts-Sheila-Jeffreys/dp/0415539404

Gender Hurts: A Feminist Analysis of the Politics of Transgenderism Paperback – 15 April 2014 (note the date!)
by Sheila Jeffreys

'It is only recently that transgenderism has been accepted as a disorder for which treatment is available. In the 1990s, a political movement of transgender activism coalesced to campaign for transgender rights. Considerable social, political and legal changes are occurring in response and there is increasing acceptance by governments and many other organisations and actors of the legitimacy of these rights.'

'This provocative and controversial book explores the consequences of these changes and offers a feminist perspective on the ideology and practice of transgenderism, which the author sees as harmful. It explores the effects of transgenderism on the lesbian and gay community, the partners of people who transgender, children who are identified as transgender and the people who transgender themselves, and argues that these are negative. In doing so the book contends that the phenomenon is based upon sex stereotyping, referred to as 'gender' – a conservative ideology that forms the foundation for women's subordination. Gender Hurts argues for the abolition of ‘gender’, which would remove the rationale for transgenderism.'

'This book will be of interest to scholars and students of political science, feminism and feminist theory and gender studies.

And here

https://sheila-jeffreys.com/tag/transgender/

In here Sheila writes about Dworkin.

Maybe it is you who have not kept up with Sheila at all there, begaydocrime42

Hey, I'm a millennial who is actually younger than Owen Jones. So I'm not "older". I was brought up by an ex-SWP member mother who bought the Morning Star, so I wasn't brought up to be "conservative" either.

I wonder that you have you not noticed that trans activists don't shy away from effecting legislative change? There is even an organisation, called Press For Change.

Every loss of rights women have experienced is because trans activists lobbied politicians and decision-makers to change laws and policies.

The poster is attempting to cast aspersions on any women effecting change. By suggesting that:

'working outside of the government and legal system (actually radical) politics' is the 'correct' and desirable thing to do.

It's rather a weak effort. Just another kind of ad hom, an attempt to put women off doing anything that might actually impact on issues.

It's instructive if only because it shows us what is working.

"To be honest, back then the movement was all about working outside of the government and legal system (actually radical) politics.

How do you propose change without legislative change?

What you’re suggesting doesn’t stack up

I must admit Arabella that I did snort. I don't quite believe I left my 'second wave', but hey, maybe because I have never sat around discussing feminist theory with people I guess I just never counted to some people ....

"To be honest, back then the movement was all about working outside of the government and legal system (actually radical) politics. Now it’s just people bickering on forums and voting conservative."

Then you really haven't kept up with what is needed or what is happening.

Can you please tell us what you think genuine/second wave feminists achieved in the past without actually working with the government and legal systems at the time? And what you think would be achieved with out those very same feminists working within the government and legal systems now?

a certain demographic of older more conservative women

Oh my word, how awful. It sounds so unfashionable.

Shrug. Too tired and ill to be dealing with this playground type behaviour

when I was in the GC movement

Yeah, that's definitely a thing. Did they have to change the secret handshake when you left?

To jump back in where I left off… when I was in the GC movement it was genuine, radical/second wave feminists well versed in theory and committed to helping women. There was a real atmosphere of camaraderie and feeling like we were continuing the work of sheila, andrea etc… fast forward to now and yes everywhere that I see GC debate is fully dominated by a certain demographic of older more conservative women. The only young blood is neotrad/neocon women, young actually left wing women won’t go anywhere near the movement. I’ve followed this for ten years and this is just my observation. To be honest, back then the movement was all about working outside of the government and legal system (actually radical) politics. Now it’s just people bickering on forums and voting conservative.

as to me coming out, I just got older and priorities changed, I realised I’d kept a lot of things repressed and coming out as queer/genderqueer felt like a homecoming. Yep I’ve had underlying trauma which probably in some way led to this, as will be the case with many trans individuals. Ultimately we all have our childhood experiences which all set us on a certain track.

Tories in Scotland were the only party to try and resist the GRR madness. Labour were an embarrassment - repeatedly saying they'd address glaring safeguarding omissions and then watching helplessly as the mad SNP government swept it all through with no changes.

I agree Flirts he absolutely knows and we know he knows but he isn’t going to admit this. he has dug a hole for himself which he could have got out of but he choose to appease a very small minority of people instead and once again Labour are led by ideology than practicality

Agree- and look.at.Canada!

Definitely not. Tories are hardly a feature in Scotland yet this is where TWAW and inappropriate sex education has the strongest grip. The hard of thinking fall into line and repeat the chants.

The scales fall when people see the consequences - Male bodied people in women's safe spaces, sport, women's awards. It's not party political.

Totally agree ✊

The problem is the left is so consumed with wanting to be seen to do the right thing they are willing to ignore reality. That's why noone trusts them with the economy. We need a new centre right offering really!

A photo of Starmer (looking confused) shall be printed over and over again informing voters this man doesn’t even know what a woman is.

I think it's worse than that. I think most voters believe he knows exactly what a woman is but for political reasons is declining to say.

The message that sends is that Labour will not acknowledge reality if it clashes with an intellectual position they have decided to hold.

For a party trying to prove they have the maturity to govern after the Corbyn years that's a very bad image for voters to get.

No the changes are a social change in the more progressive societies and other countries are seeing similar issues

what the Tories are doing is playing into the more extreme issues not the every day (which I personally still feel is necessary) and unfortunately Labour have not handled this well. The vast majority of voters are not interested in identity politics and view it as nonsense drivel but once again Labour shall ignore and not bother to address what doesn’t suit their party narrative. Why don’t Labour learn they are always the party that need to fight harder for voters

A photo of Starmer (looking confused) shall be printed over and over again informing voters this man doesn’t even know what a woman is. He should have backtracked he should of made a politics move you do not need to stay true to your principles all the time to win voters over

In the very nicest way I can manage, are you ok?