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DH won’t let me go out during ‘work hours’

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rippedjeansniceshoes · 29/08/2023 17:26

Hi name changed as I don’t know what to make of this.
DH owns his own company and works from our home office. I am a stay at home mum with 3 young DC.
Having 3 children under 5 means I am hands-on and very busy with the children day-day.
My husband works a few hours a day, Mon-Fri. He is very lucky as his business takes care of itself at this point. He makes a few phone calls, sends a few emails and he’s done. Once sometimes twice a week he will spend the whole day doing a hobby that he loves. He does this mainly with his business partner (very good friend) and with business associates. After the hobby they chat and have a few drinks. He said this is classed as his work as it is during the Mon-Fri work hours.

A friend of mine (also with 3 young DC) asked me if I was free for lunch this Thursday afternoon as her siblings were looking after her DC and she had some child-free time! Knowing that my DH is very quiet work-wise of an afternoon (and had no golf planned) I said yes! I was so excited to get out without DC and honestly didn’t think it would be an issue for DH to look after them for 2 hours of an afternoon.

Just by me asking it has created WW3 😥 I’ve cancelled the child-free plans with my friend and I am just so upset.

DH said no as it is during his work hours. I don’t understand. I explained to him that after a long summer at home with the kids I really needed a couple of hours with my friend! His response is that I need to get it though my ‘thick skull’ that Mon-Fri are his work hours and he can’t look after the kids during that time. I explained he has lots of child-free time during the week for golf and I have none. He said golf doesn’t count as it is ‘work’ for him.

Every time I ask for child-free time this happens. Although I did go to the cinema with some mum-friends in June without the kids and he was ok (eventually) with that (DC asleep, evening showing) I drove.

Is it me? Am I wrong here?

OP posts:
toadasoda · 29/08/2023 17:51

I'm so sorry OP this is not normal. You went to the cinema in June but kids had to be down and you drove - this is implying you have never had a night out or a few drinks? Or just skipped the bedtime routine for a walk because you were stressed? If not then something is seriously amiss, you are effectively a sole parent.

He needs someone explain to him what a SAHM means. If he has work Mon 9-5 and you have kids the same times, then that's both your 'working weeks'. Any time after that is 50/50. Try talking to him. If he doesn't change you'll simply have to start leaving the house. If he finds himself with the kids he has no choice has he? Honestly he doesn't sound like a good father or partner and I feel bad for you.

MrsToothyBitch · 29/08/2023 17:51

That is a disgusting way to talk to your partner or anyone, how dare he talk to you this way.

Obviously as the SAHP, the childcare will fall to you more often. However, since it appears from your messages that he calls the tune wrt work rather than dances to someone elses and doesn't appear too stretched, I am also going to say YANBU on this front. He could easily make himself available for 2 hours. The fact he won't and never has done coupled with his attitude to you suggests he knows exactly what he's up to; he's a lazy, controlling, shit.

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 29/08/2023 17:50

*short time

SuperNewMe · 29/08/2023 17:49

Sorry, missed he doesn't like you going out without the kids.
Fuck that, they're his kids just as much as yours.
If they're safe with him, get yourself off out more.
He can parent them then too.

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 29/08/2023 17:49

Does he have a relationship with his dch? Does he bath them, read to them, etc? Take over 50 per cent of the time outside his 'working' hours? Sounds as if you need to have a very frank discussion with him about what it means to be a parent, which sometimes means him parenting alone while you go out and do what you want. That's at the very least a short every day. If you can't get this message through his thick skull is there anyone else who could talk to him on your behalf?

InOffice · 29/08/2023 17:48

sparepantsandtoothbrush · 29/08/2023 17:46

Yes so awful playing golf with his work partner and spending time drinking with him after. OP said this is a friend not a client.

And if he can find time for himself during his "working day" when he doesn't actually seem to be working very much at all, then he should be able to find an hour or two to look after his own children.

She said "He does this mainly with his business partner (very good friend) and with business associates." even if he does enjoy it, it's still work, we are allowed to enjoy our work.

sparepantsandtoothbrush · 29/08/2023 17:48

Telling you to get it through your thick skull just shows how little respect he has for you and what you're doing for the family. Maybe it's time for you to go back to work OP

Seeingadistance · 29/08/2023 17:47

When you are divorced, it's going to have get through his thick skull that he'll be doing a lot more childcare than he is currently.

OP, don't put up with this. The man is an abusive prick and you deserve better.

Mustardseed86 · 29/08/2023 17:47

God no. It's not remotely you, he sounds awful!

Barney60 · 29/08/2023 17:47

This is controlling.
Play him now at his own game, get as much information while hes out photocopy and hide, earnings contracts bank statements as much as you can.
Plan your escape, as time goes on this will get worse.
Just bite your tongue and plan...

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 29/08/2023 17:47

Clymene · 29/08/2023 17:40

Can you actually read? He's not working

Well we don’t know that. The op has said he doesn’t work full time but whether he has specific things/calls that need doing that day is unknown.

given he is supposed to be working I think you need to ask him if he can look after the children rather than just tell him that that is what is happening

Nanny0gg · 29/08/2023 17:47

InOffice · 29/08/2023 17:46

He's running a business from home. I can see why he's frustrated that Op dismisses this as not really working. Obviously he needs to behave better about that, but you can't expect to leave DC with someone who's WFH.

For a one off with notice, I'd expect him to take time off to facilitate it though.

Because going by the OP his 'work' seems to take up no time at all

Clefable · 29/08/2023 17:46

GingerIsBest · 29/08/2023 17:29

Well, it irritates me a great deal when DH, who is part time around childcare arrangements asks me, self employed, main breadwinner, assumes I can do childcare any old time because I'm working from home. So from that perspective, I see your DH's point.

HOWEVER, when I am less busy I wouldn't think twice about being on childcare duties if I didn't have a lot of work and he wanted to do something. So from that perspective he's being a complete dickhead.

The really big question though is even if you accept that 9-5, Mon-Friday is his "work time" what happens outside of that? Because based on the way you wrote your OP, I'm guessing you don't get the option to go out with a friend on a Saturday or hit a gym class on a Wednesday night?

Yes, exactly this.

Whateverfuckingnext · 29/08/2023 17:46

Please leave him, and then enjoy your child free time which usually works out at every other weekend and half the hols for co-parenting right?

Nanny0gg · 29/08/2023 17:46

rippedjeansniceshoes · 29/08/2023 17:38

Thank you so much everyone. I'm actually having a little cry of relief as I knew deep down it wasn't me being the unreasonable one.
He just makes me question things sometimes, he is so convincing that he is right and I am wrong.

Weekends I only have 1 day free as the other day his team plays football and he likes to watch that without the kids. Even writing this down is ridiculous.
My friends are often busy with their own families on a weekend.

I rarely have a friend who asks for a child-free meet up like this Thursday. That's why I was so excited. I see my friends often but always with the children for play-dates.

DH doesn't mind me going out with the DC. It's just when I want to go alone the arguments start 😔

I can't understand a successful business that requires such little input from him or his business partner for a start

But he's treating you very badly.

Do you have family support at all?

sparepantsandtoothbrush · 29/08/2023 17:46

InOffice · 29/08/2023 17:32

I don't you should expect to go out while he's working. I think his golf and drinks are work if they're with clients - this was the worst part of my job when I had to entertain clients.

Obviously he should be more respectful in his language, but I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a SAHM to have the children during his working day.

Yes so awful playing golf with his work partner and spending time drinking with him after. OP said this is a friend not a client.

And if he can find time for himself during his "working day" when he doesn't actually seem to be working very much at all, then he should be able to find an hour or two to look after his own children.

Rachie1973 · 29/08/2023 17:46

InOffice · 29/08/2023 17:32

I don't you should expect to go out while he's working. I think his golf and drinks are work if they're with clients - this was the worst part of my job when I had to entertain clients.

Obviously he should be more respectful in his language, but I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a SAHM to have the children during his working day.

Crap. It’s his company. He can set his own hours within reason.

SuperNewMe · 29/08/2023 17:46

His response is that I need to get it though my ‘thick skull
Nasty twat.
Ok, if you don't go out by yourself during work hours if he's working and can't look after the kids then, do you go out when he finishes?
Because I bloody would be.
Be like see ya and go off out for tea with a friend or off to the cinema or something

InOffice · 29/08/2023 17:46

He's running a business from home. I can see why he's frustrated that Op dismisses this as not really working. Obviously he needs to behave better about that, but you can't expect to leave DC with someone who's WFH.

For a one off with notice, I'd expect him to take time off to facilitate it though.

ConnieTucker · 29/08/2023 17:45

DH doesn't mind me going out with the DC. It's just when I want to go alone the arguments start
he doesnt want to be responsible for the house or children. He doesnt want to have to do the hard parenting. That’s your role. He doesnt want to have to deal with the children so he will make you going out very difficult so you dont because you wont want the hassle.

go out now. He has finished work for the day. Go for a coffee somewhere. Phone your friend on the way and ask if she can meet you there. If not take a book.

it isnt his working hours.

they are equally his children.

Hufflepods · 29/08/2023 17:45

I find it hard to believe he supports a family of 5 with a few emails and a few phone calls then does no work for the week. It’s just incredibly unlikely.

It’s reasonable for him to set working hours and to keep them for work so he can respond to things when they come up.

You should be able to make plans the rest of the time though.

MsMarch · 29/08/2023 17:45

what about evenings? Are you "allowed" to go meet a friend for dinner on a Tuesday after he's "home" from work? I take your point re not being able to do child-free things on the one day a weekend as your friends aren't free then, but in my experience, most women, especially SAHMs, get their "away from the kids" time in the evenings.

I will always remember fondly my friend's DH who, after I'd asked if she wanted to take up a last minute cancellation for an event, came home from work and got home about 2 minutes before I arrived to pick her up - he was still in his suit and tie, on the couch giving the 4 month old a bottle while reading a story to the toddler! He couldn't get home earlier, but he was 100% prepared to take over 100% from the minute he walked in the door.

AndIKnewYouMeantIt · 29/08/2023 17:45

It's because he doesn't want to/can't be bothered to look after them. These men don't even bother hiding the contempt for your efforts looking after them, and thr kids themselves.

Bobbybobbins · 29/08/2023 17:45

You should have an equal amount of time to yourself as he does- if he counts golf as 'work' he must realise that a whole day watching football means you gave a day to yourself?!

Pollyputthekettleonha · 29/08/2023 17:43

He is a shit OP.

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