...to think teachers DO get paid over the holidays?

It’s not teachers banging on about holidays , it is people who aren’t teachers who bang on about holidays.

@fuckityfuckityfuckfuck they used to, but no more. There is no certain progression any more for doctors to get into a speciality position and they can end up on £19 for quite a while as an F3. Even if they get speciality training they won't earn more than £55,000 for another 6 years. And when they finally make consultant, if they do, they will earn £66,000. After potentially 13+ years out of Uni. Gone are the days of a massive guaranteed income and pension.
It's why so many are leaving abroad. Rotational training sucks, the pay sucks, the NHS management sucks. V v sad.

It depends where you live though. If you're in Cornwall where the average salary is £31k then a starting salary of £28k, soon rising to over £30k seems quite good. Whereas if you're in London where the average salary is £52k and the London weighting doesn't nearly cover the cost of additional living and travel costs then it's not great.

😅 this again!

I am paid to work directed hours of 1265 hours over an academic year spread over 195 days.
That is what my salary is for ,195 days plus legal holiday entitlement. So I think that's 28 days?

If my hours/days were to increase my salary would also need to increase to reflect this.

My salary is paid split into 12 equal monthly payments.

So no I do not receive extra "paid" holidays.
It really is not that hard to understand.

As a supply teacher you might start at the beginning of September, and finish at the end of July, and not get paid at all for the 6 week holidays.

A reply to much up thread Teachers are not paid hourly.

I am. It's on my wage slip (or electronic equivalent).

I have worked in a few countries and it's pretty much the same. You work up holiday pay. If you only work less than a while year, eg half term of the summer term, you won't get paid for the whole summer holiday, if even you are carrying on to next year. I know!

@Fiddlesticks24 that’s just this Summer holidays. Not including other half term breaks.

Yes I don’t doubt there are other professions that work over time for free - maybe into their lunch hour or a bit longer after their 5pm finish. But 12 days in a 6 week period. That’s without any additional work done before school, lunch, evenings, weekends and other half term breaks. I think if I calculated my actual working hours over the year against my wage I would be paid below minimum wage!!

My mother is a teacher.
They get paid for the days they work but the money is spread over the year.
And of course like every employee they are entitled to a min statutory holiday allowance as well which they are forced to take during school holiday times.
So no they don't get paid for holidays (accept the stat ones they would be entitled too if working another over job)

Budgets. Typing while making a coffee. In school. Where I've been all day, in my holidays. Was also in 3 days last week and the one before, dealing with exam stuff. Just love the long holidays 😂

Junior doctors absolutely deserve more pay. Starting salary is an insult. Teaching starting salary isn't bad. But at least doctors have decent pay progression. And very decent at top of the pay scale. And opportunities to supplement income.

It’s not pro rata. A teacher who is paid to work 195 days a year gets paid for 195 days per year. If they work additional days in the school holidays they don’t get paid overtime. They can’t say ‘hey Headteacher, I’d like to get paid a full time salary and take 6 weeks holiday a year, so can you find a few extra £££s to pay me for the extra hours?’

How much did you earn ?

But the vast majority of schools have to also work to fixed national pay scales. Once you hit the top of them, individual negotiation becomes quite challenging.

It's not just about the available cash. Even if a school is running a massive surplus, they can't just decide to pay all their physics teachers (or whoever they are desperate not to lose) more, if those physics teachers have reached the top of the pay scale.

Whereas a private company with lots of spare money could do so.

@MasterBeth businesses can borrow money, schools can't. Years ago it might have been possibly but school ushers are now so awful we can't even afford to photocopy for a whole class, unless shrunk v small.

You can’t leave at May half term unless it’s been agreed with your headteacher. Notice deadlines are 31st Oct, 28th Feb and 31st of May to finish at the end of that term. If you hand in on the 1st June, you’re locked in until Dec.

Teachers and teaching assistants DO NOT get paid for the holidays. Their salary for days they do work are added up and divided by 12 months. So they get a salary every month. What is the point if f this stupid thread??? Let’s have a go at teachers shall we??? This thread stinks!!

Yeah, I think they haven't thought it through at all- those 15 days of leave still amount to 5 weeks off (potentially more if you're clever with bank holidays), assuming you choose to take them all in blocks of 3.

A part time teacher doesn't need holiday to work non-working days because... well... they're non working days...

And doctors (there is nothing junior about what any of the do) pay is even more crap. 2am running CPR for £14.09 an hour is why we don't have enough doctors either.

It's v v v simple. If the country wants good schools and medical care then they are going to have to pay for it. The old, well if you don't like it then leave saying has come true. People left. No one is replacing them fast enough.

Junior doctors deserve better too. Massive amount of solidarity with them.

Well, yes and no- it depends on the stage of your career.

If I'm a physics teacher with 2 years experience, I could negotiate being paid, for example M4- the same as e.g. a PE teacher with 4 years experience.

If I'm a physics teacher with 10 years experience, the highest I'll be paid in most schools is UPS3, the same as a PE teacher with 10 years experience.

There are exceptions to this e.g. the lead practitioner pay scale, which a lot of schools don't use, or perhaps the school can invent a TLR for me to give me a little extra incentive. But a MAT isn't allowed to break away from teacher pay scales for only a small proportion of their staff, and an LA maintained school has to use national pay scales.

Unless there's another workaround I haven't thought of?

Whereas, in private industry, it's not impossible for me to be paid £60k, whilst another member of staff with 10 years experience in a different field but similar role could be paid £40k.

• Unlike teachers, most support staff members are employed on a term-time only basis. This means being paid only for the weeks that the school is open, e.g. 39 weeks, plus paid leave entitlement.

This is the NEU guidance on support staff pay and conditions. If we were paid for 39 weeks plus paid leave entitlement, it wouldn't say "unlike teachers".

Teachers are paid for their directed time of 1,265 hours per academic year, spread over 195 days. They're salaried positions and their reduced pay takes into account the amount of time off.

No teacher in the history of time has worked only 1265 in an academic year