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to think that boarding houses could come back into fashion (not boarding schools)

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NeedToChangeName · 29/08/2023 10:59

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-66591376

This news report got me thinking. When my Dad was a student, he rented a bedroom in someone's house, alongside other students. Quite simple accommodation without facilities that people might expect nowadays, but it was affordable and convenient. And extra income for the landlady

I wonder if this arrangement might become popular again, with (1) students / young professionals struggling to find suitable accommodation and (2) home owners struggling to pay mortgages

Keira sitting on a purple sofa with a big green plant in the background and a brown wooden unit. She has blonde hair and has her nose and ears pierced. She has a ring on a necklace around her neck and has a purple jumper on.

University accommodation: 'I got into uni, but couldn't find anywhere to live'

A charity warns the number of new purpose-built rooms is tumbling, despite student numbers growing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-66591376

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Sourcherriesarebest · 29/08/2023 16:15

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams · 29/08/2023 16:04

Hickory Dickory Dock (Agatha Christie) has a student boarding house.

I think Helen might have lived in one at the beginning of Riders as well, which is what, the 70s?

Going back to Agatha Christie, Third Girl is about a flatshare.

Yes, and there's one with a student boarding hall which I think is AC being quite daringly modern. Or is Hickory Dickory Dock that one, I get them confused.

The one with the flat with the office-working girls is definitely her being 'modern' - in fact that's one of the things i love most about AC is that her books span forty years and the social changes are incredible - from nice young gals at home in the vicarage types to independent young working women living in flats (even if inevitably they have to be secretaries to the Important Men) - she definitely shows young women getting on with life.

Some of the EM Delafield ones (Tension is a great one) show how precarious boarding house / clerking life was for young women in the first decades of the last century - yes they could be completely independent from their families for the first time but the boarding house fees took up most of their salaries, then the standards of dress were high with all the problems of laundry etc, no opportunities to get career progression, no chance to get out and meet nice young men (although they must have met men in the office?) to marry and get away. It was not as much drudgery as being a servant, but pretty bleak.

Really, what with posh people having servants and servants living in, and many in betweens living in hostels or boarding houses or digs, far fewer people must have actually lived alone!

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams · 29/08/2023 16:04

Hickory Dickory Dock (Agatha Christie) has a student boarding house.

I think Helen might have lived in one at the beginning of Riders as well, which is what, the 70s?

Going back to Agatha Christie, Third Girl is about a flatshare.

NeedToChangeName · 29/08/2023 15:54

Surely boarding houses arose out of a fairly unique set of social and economic circumstances? For much of the twentieth century property was relatively cheap with lots of large, unmodernised Victorian houses - many of which have now been converted into flats. Plus the impact of the two world wars e.g. a war-widow might decide to rent out rooms rather than struggling to get into the workplace with non-existent childcare

@BadSkiingMum Yes I think you're right, and HMO licensing would also deter many people from operating boarding houses now

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trailsofberries · 29/08/2023 15:14

I think there was an article recently (if anyone remembers where from?) about the number of over 50s house sharing, and renting rooms, being on the rise.

trailsofberries · 29/08/2023 15:12

Yes, I agree @NeedToChangeName

A relation of mine owned a couple of boarding houses (and a coal business etc) in the early C20. These were enormous Victorian terrace houses and mostly housed single people (I checked the census).

Totallyterrific · 29/08/2023 15:10

Just like a house of multiple occupancy surely? There are several big old houses here each with 10+ bedrooms in them.

Sourcherriesarebest · 29/08/2023 15:05

The Country Girls by Edna O’Brien was another one.

Sourcherriesarebest · 29/08/2023 15:04

Books with either lodgings or boarding houses (very, very common for respectable women who worked in london)

The Making if a Marchioness
The Heel of Achilles by EM Delafield
The Girls of Slender Means (I think? Maybe a women’s hostel)
The L Shaped Room.

It was definitely a huge thing for about a century - as the clerk/office/shop workers classes emerged.

ŁadnaPogoda · 29/08/2023 14:50

My Gran had rooms in Bloomsbury. She had a scullery, a sitting room and a bedroom. She shared the loo and bathroom with all of the other occupants of the building, who had a similar set up. There was an elderly man next door to her, who had the same and smaller rooms for single people upstairs (don’t think these had a kitchen, more of a bedsit).

RustyBear · 29/08/2023 14:45

Do you mean this sort of thing, OP?

When I got my first job after uni, (over 40 years ago) I lived here for about 6 months, until I found a house share with some friends from work http://westboroughhouse.co.uk/

There was a housekeeper then, who did the cooking, (though it looks like it’s now self catering) we had an evening meal included in the rent and I think breakfast, though I’m not sure as I never ate breakfast!

Westborough house

http://westboroughhouse.co.uk/

BadSkiingMum · 29/08/2023 14:35

ChristAndHisBike · 29/08/2023 12:50

And then, to complicate matters, you have the notion of 'taking in boarders', like Sylvia does in Ballet Shoes, which is a much grander notion than the theatrical boarding house/ digs.

Although I am not sure how the boarders ate, all I seem to recall them consuming is alcohol! Perhaps Nana did them some kippers or a nice posset?

@ChristAndHisBike
What they ate? You're forgetting the lady doctors and their beavers!
😁

*'Beaver' being their name for a mid-morning snack.

sunlovingcriminal · 29/08/2023 13:49

@OnionBhajis is correct. The HMO licensing. If three or more people are sharing facilities who are not "one household" then it becomes a HMO. Which may not require planning (is permitted development for 6 people), but does require licensing.

This could put people off as there are requirements (such as fire requirements) as well as council inspections (and I presume costs to pay for registering!).

I think it's a great idea when student accommodation is expensive/scarce. My dad used to live with various landladies when he was a student.

PriamFarrl · 29/08/2023 13:35

BadSkiingMum · 29/08/2023 12:04

As property is so expensive I can't really see it coming back again except in the sense of families taking in a lodger.

Surely boarding houses arose out of a fairly unique set of social and economic circumstances? For much of the twentieth century property was relatively cheap with lots of large, unmodernised Victorian houses - many of which have now been converted into flats. Plus the impact of the two world wars e.g. a war-widow might decide to rent out rooms rather than struggling to get into the workplace with non-existent childcare.

I think that was it. You had this perfect set of circumstances.
Large houses with plenty of rooms, a war widowed owner who could no longer afford to run the house on her own but she could cook and clean. So she could rent out the rooms, cook the meals and keep a roof over her head into the bargain.

Those big houses are nearly all flats now.

PriamFarrl · 29/08/2023 13:28

GalileoHumpkins · 29/08/2023 11:40

A boarding house is traditionally rented out as a bedroom with shared bathroom facilities, meals are usually provided and the tenants may have a communal room in which to take tea and sit by the window and read.

Yes. See the film The Lavender Hill Mob. They all live in a boarding house. One big house where the individual people had their own rooms but shared bathrooms. The landlady, usually a widow, would have her rooms downstairs and provide meals.

thirdistheonewiththehairychest · 29/08/2023 13:24

NeedToChangeName · 29/08/2023 11:12

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boarding_house
This is the set up I'm thinking of, not lodgers or shared houses

This article describes our house. We regularly rent out a room to language students who come to our city to learn English, or to University students who need somewhere short-term to stay in between their tenancies.

LBFseBrom · 29/08/2023 13:24

Handsnotwands · 29/08/2023 11:00

isn't that being a lodger? which is quite a common thing still

'Digs' or 'lodgings' used to mean landlady provided meals, everyone sitting at the table at set times.

Some were good, some not.

It still happens and I can see variations of that being affordable now.

Sgtmajormummy · 29/08/2023 13:24

I hope communal bath houses don’t come back into fashion, although you do see places like that in motorway services for truckers and those who live “the van life”.

I read a haunting short story by Neil Jordan about an Irish immigrant slowly and intentionally taking his own life in the warm clean bath cubicle.

BMW6 · 29/08/2023 13:24

I am old enough to remember Boarding Houses.

Their name changed to Guest Houses, but were the same.

Each person had a bedroom with a sink.

There were communal dining room, bathrooms, toilets and Lounge with TV.

The Landlady ived in the premises and she cooked and served breakfast and evening meal.

You still get them in holiday destinations, where you can pay for half board (bed and breakfast) or full board (added evening meal).

When I started work a couple of my colleagues had moved a long way from home and started off in boarding Houses. They were cheaper overall than being a lodger because meals were included (though you ate what you were given - there was no menu to choose from!)

Ilovegoldies · 29/08/2023 13:23

My friend who is a lot older than me went to university in the 60s and boarded with a family and had to share a bed with another student 😂

Raggammuffin · 29/08/2023 13:22

They're trying to push this in ireland atm. You can rent out a room and it won't affect your benefits/allowance/tax band

Ohwhatfuckeryisthis · 29/08/2023 13:21

My sister did this in the early sixties in Australia. Older lady rented out rooms to “suitable young ladies”, provided breakfast and evening meal. Company and money for her, safe accommodation and company for young girls just left home.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 29/08/2023 13:20

I’m in the US, but somewhat ironically my DH and I are thinking of setting something similar up to this in a few years. It’s a unique situation and we’d be catering to a very specific group.

Essentially it’s an area that has several (8-9 ) passenger boats that do summer cruises - small historical sail. The boat kids (20-somethings) crew these boats are a nomadic bunch that travel from contract to contract with very little in the way of possessions.

We are planning to move to the area in a few years and if we can find the right house we want to offer up this type of lodging for the kids. We floated the idea to the crew one year (no pun intended) and they loved it.

Most of the time they are sleeping on board, they only need accommodation random nights and during the full time at the front and end of the season. They will then move on to other contracts in warmer places for the winter.

They need a place to wash clothes, maybe store a car, and they don’t want to fool around with cooking or cleaning when they at port. If we do it we’d offer basic accommodation (bed and a wardrobe), linens, cleaning, and meals.

Right now a bunch of them will rent a place and all contribute, but that comes with all the drama you’d expect for people coming and going and with no real full time residents.

We don’t expect to profit from this. If we can make enough to break even we’d be ok. It’s more about getting into the community.

ChristAndHisBike · 29/08/2023 12:50

And then, to complicate matters, you have the notion of 'taking in boarders', like Sylvia does in Ballet Shoes, which is a much grander notion than the theatrical boarding house/ digs.

Although I am not sure how the boarders ate, all I seem to recall them consuming is alcohol! Perhaps Nana did them some kippers or a nice posset?

LakeTiticaca · 29/08/2023 12:39

I think the word you are looking for is a hostel. They used to be provided for staff at some places, and I think there used to be hostels for single police officers, nurses etc. I went for a job in a well known supermarket in London many moons ago and they had a hostel for staff to lodge . It's a good thing and should definitely make a come back

HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 29/08/2023 12:36

Like the sitcom rising damp

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