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To have told him I want a divorce

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Sowhatimstillarockstar9 · 26/08/2023 20:54

Told my husband on Wednesday I want a divorce. Its been coming for a few months so he wasn't massively surprised.
We have been together 18 years and in that time he has never helped in the house (he asked the other day how to clean the toilet!) I do everything.
He has been verging on emotionally abusive. He's done the silent treatment to me and my daughter. He's punched a wall when I told him about a family holiday, threw a chair when there was a family BBQ. Called my son names and tried to control things from afar while he was away on lads weekends away.
We also haven't been intimate in over 7 years.
Over the last 2 months however when he has realised something is wrong he has been trying to do everything right. Doing housework, trying to be father of the year.
He is saying to me that yes while we have issues none of them are marragie ending!
I have made the right decision haven't I? He is saying the kids will be so upset and I just know he is going to say this is all mummy's decision!

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Aishah231 · 15/02/2024 08:16

Your husband is abusive towards you and your children. You need to get fixed contact sorted not this flexi 50/50 set up. 50/50 is madness given how awful he is. Sorry OP but however hard it is you need to go to court to get a proper arrangement in place. This will be better for your children who won't be able to be bullied into going more and constantly have the fear of when they are going hanging over them. I can guarantee your DS hates going as much as your DD. It's hard to hear OP and I can see you're trying desperately to do the right thing. The trouble is he isn't.

SwordToFlamethrower · 15/02/2024 07:42

AbraKedavra · 31/08/2023 14:50

TBH it seems to me most replies are by the Misery Loves Co. Group. You're presented with a false dichotomy of either living unhappily with your husband, or divorcing and living happily.

Ignoring the fact that divorcing and the single life is far from a bed of roses (BTDT), and the promised bliss doesn't always arrive, you're forgetting that there's a third, optimal choice: fixing your marriage and living happily together.

While it's true that this option will take work, and in many aspects you might feel burnt out, the alternative will also take work. And in many ways fixing a marriage that once had potential is easier than rebuilding a life.

It's your life, OP, and you can do as you please. But IMO to not even properly consider 'can we make this work?' and 'how can we make this work?' is doing yourself a disservice. And frankly your children too.

They havent had sex for 7 years! You cant fix that. You cant expect a woman to open her legs for the man who is abusive and maniplative towards her.

Unbelievable shit advice.

SwordToFlamethrower · 15/02/2024 07:36

He's angry that his domestic appliance stopped working.

The horror that he will have to cook and clean for himself!

SwordToFlamethrower · 15/02/2024 07:25

You are done with being a skivvy. You want a sex life but not with him, with someone you fancy and fancies you back.

Tell the kids "daddy doesn’t treat mummy kindly and mummy wants to be happy. We are seperating but we both love you very much"

RedStripeypillow · 15/02/2024 04:50

Has he been told that is words and actions are what is upsetting the children? That for the good of the children, you need to work together, him sniping and blaming is horrendous for them. He needs to put the children first. This is so sad. I imagine this behaviour just galvanises your feelings for him what a vile selfish bully.

DreamTheMoors · 15/02/2024 02:28

Sowhatimstillarockstar9 · 31/01/2024 23:03

She is with me again tonight after ringing so upset. I calmed her down in the first phone call and by the end of it we were chatting about school tomorrow and going shopping at the weekend. Half an hour later he rang and she was hysterical/crying saying she wanted to come and be with me. I probably did the wrong thing but I went to get her.
I know he will use that against me but not sure how it was in her best interests to stay there.

He emailed me saying he believes she has an insecure attachment to me as I have elevated her to my confidante and am using her as emotional support. Which is utter bullshit but apparently he has emails from the therapist that my son saw back in November saying she was concerned by a look my daughter gave me about wanting to do what I did. She only met her for 5 mins but that's really worried me.

I feel like I am constantly worried about how is going to use anything I do legally. I don't feel like I am ever going to be truly free of this man.

When he is picking my children up from my Mums, he comes in and walks into the house, which my Dad isn't happy with him I just don't know how to tell him it's not OK.

I am always worried if I say no to one of his requests he will use it against me with the kids.

I'm not sure it will ever end 😕

Has anyone mentioned separation anxiety?
It’s quite common, actually, in children.
I used to cry - sob - when I went to school at age 6 and my mum was unmoved. She ignored me completely and sternly sent me off to class. But I wanted, or needed, so desperately to stay with her.
I was also the youngest.
And also, let the bastard yell and rant and carry on — that’s really not going to carry any weight whatsoever in court. Your STBX sounds like a major head case and a big fat bully. What judge on the planet do you honestly think will buy his bullshit???
The court may order a counselor to interview both children, and deliver an unbiased report to the judge, who in return will decide what’s best for the children.
And that’s all you need to worry about - not some nutjob whose fragile ego has been been crushed, not only because his wife rejected him, but his kids have too.
You’re fine. Stay strong. Sending love from the States.

Mumsanetta · 14/02/2024 18:31

I don’t think the OP is here for advice @Takeabreather23, I think she’s here to offload and sort her thoughts, which is fair enough.

Takeabreather23 · 14/02/2024 17:22

I actulay wonder when you will take any advice on mumsnet. this is unbelievable.
OP this is on you now as you are facilitating his behaviour .

You are only going to live with regrets.
Your Dd needing Counseling and your Ds manipulated and all because you won’t protect them

Dexterrolledoffthesofa · 14/02/2024 17:12

JustFannyingAboot · 14/02/2024 15:48

Poor DD, no wonder she doesn't want to stay with him. His daughter is clearly distressed and instead of showing some empathy (instead of thinking it's all about his rights as a parent - makes me sick!) he films her when she is vulnerable. How is she supposed to feel safe in his company if she knows he will film her when she is panicked. What an abusive cunt. I'm sorry she, and you, are going through this.

Exactly this.
He is weaponising his children - what kind of parent does this??!!!

Drapion · 14/02/2024 16:52

You have tried so hard to be reasonable but she doesn't want to go, it's distressing her, he records her at her most vulnerable. I think it's time to advocate for her and say, she's not staying there unless she wants too, it's impacting her mental health, you have no empathy for this situation and abuse her when she's at her most vulnerable. If you take issue with this decision bring it up in court. Close any further contact with him about this issue, all correspondence through solicitors. If she wants to go let her, if not then she stays with you. She's old enough to decide for herself. Because it's now becoming so toxic and so destructive for her mental health.

JustFannyingAboot · 14/02/2024 15:48

Poor DD, no wonder she doesn't want to stay with him. His daughter is clearly distressed and instead of showing some empathy (instead of thinking it's all about his rights as a parent - makes me sick!) he films her when she is vulnerable. How is she supposed to feel safe in his company if she knows he will film her when she is panicked. What an abusive cunt. I'm sorry she, and you, are going through this.

Quartz2208 · 14/02/2024 15:43

I am confused as to what he thinks the recordings will prove other than she hates being there and he isn’t parenting well

Mumsanetta · 14/02/2024 15:37

It’s great that he has recorded evidence of how upset she is getting about having to stay with him. Can he send you a copy? I would not go there unless she contacts you otherwise he will see it as good reason for him to start calling at yours when it’s your days to have the children. Collect her if she does call you and await the communication from his solicitor. In the meantime, contact your own solicitor for advice on this.

One of you needs to put your DD’s best interests at heart and it won’t be him.

Sowhatimstillarockstar9 · 14/02/2024 15:32

My son stayed with him last night night after football so I went to pick him up this morning to take him to school. My daughter went up to her bedroom to get something and he followed and said she was 100% sleeping there tonight. She lost it and had what I would describe as a panic attack. She was saying she didn't want to stay there, screaming at me to promise to pick her up. He took his phone out and started to record it all.

He has taken her Alexa out her bedroom and has said she can't have her phone so she was very panicky about not being able to contact me.

I eventually calmed her down enough to get her into school.

I am wondered what to do tonight - do I go round and see if she is OK, as I presuming he won't allow her to call me?
He has also emailed me saying he has other recordings of her behaviour and if she doesn't stay there tonight the next communication on childcare will be from his solicitor.

I really don't know what to tonight, I hate to think of her in that state.

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ClockworkDisaster · 13/02/2024 12:22

I don’t have much advice but just wanted to say stay strong! He sounds like an awful manipulative bully. He is using his children in this game causing them to be upset whilst you are trying to do everything you can to keep them happy.

Please don’t go back to him. He is not good for them. Keep collecting evidence. If he keeps on like this he will have a lot less access to his children.

Is it worth getting some kind of restraining order against him if he keeps on turning up when he isn’t supposed to be there putting extra pressure on you? That might require you have to have to use a 3rd party for pick up/drop offs though. Although the kids are old enough to be able to get out of the car and into your house themselves and for you to drop them at school and him to pick them up without close physical contact between you.

HazelBite · 12/02/2024 16:50

Perhaps it would be a good idea to get a counsellor for your DD, you might be able to get her to understand the situation better, that the break up is not your fault, and that she should be spending time with her dad for the time being.
I feel its not good for the siblings to be separated like they seem to be at the moment, your son needs to see how his Dad interacts with his sister.

LurkingAndVenting · 12/02/2024 15:50

Are you and I married to the same guy?

strawberry2017 · 12/02/2024 15:43

Have you spoken to school OP to see what support they may be able to offer both of your children? They may have someone who can talk to them independently for you.

Sicario · 10/02/2024 11:06

Ignore all his bullshit. I know that's really difficult to do because you are currently in a high-stress high-alert situation. Anyone who has been through a nasty divorce will recognise the stomach-churning stress you are currently dealing with.

He is being aggressive and combative in his approach, because that's the kind of person he is.

He is still trying to control everyone and everything, and this is coming out in his anger and in his instructions to his solicitor. (Remember that the solicitors will have seen it all before.)

Solicitors don't care about the bullshit and arguments. They're just doing a job that they do every day. The more combative a divorce, the more money they make, so they really couldn't care less either way.

Try to keep your eyes on the prize:
Getting a divorce decree
Getting a fair financial settlement

If you can gather any evidence of your STBX's behaviour towards your daughter, that would be wise. His admittance that he doesn't have a good relationship with her, for example. Also, what is he doing that makes her so distressed? Ask her. Maybe she wants to write it down for you. Perhaps record her calls to you sounding distressed and asking to come home.

My DCs hated seeing their father. I eventually defied the court order and refused to engage with him (he was highly controlling). He kicked off for a while then quickly gave up, blaming me for parental alienation, when in fact he had managed to do that all by himself. Truth was that once he couldn't control everyone he lost interest.

Never had a penny in child support of course.

Sowhatimstillarockstar9 · 09/02/2024 22:10

My solicitor sent an email this week regarding finances and hiw I had made 2 really reasonable offers. Apparently he had responded almost immediately saying his priority is the childcare and how he has been restricted access. He has said for months my daughter needs to see a counsellor. I have stopped this happening.

Basically lots of lies - do solicitors see through this?

She had rang me 5 times tonight through the alexa in her bedroom hysterical saying I need to come and get her, she needs to come and be with me and she can't stay there.
I held out for a bit - mostly due to fanily advice that he should be the one to drop her back to me. He refused to drop her back so I arrange someone to get her as I had already had a glass of wine.
Does anyone know if a 10 year old can compelty refuse to stay over with dad?
He is blaming it all on me but the other day admitted he doesn't have a good relationship with her.

Sorry I am maybe repeating things just very pissed off and upset but the email he has sent back to my solicitor today.

He has said things like he has been lumbered with all the bills/needed to make sure the kids had enough presents from santa and is acting as a free storage facility for my things! I'm hoping my solicitor can see through the bullshit!

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GabriellaMontez · 04/02/2024 09:43

I m also worried about giving them so much choice that they can choose when they want to so certain things.
So if I plan something DS doesn't want to do he can go to dad's

This is my approach in this situation.

Your children are young. Don't give them too much choice. Sometimes they have to do things they don't necessarily want to.

That's life. Help Mummy in the supermarket, visit Granny... whatever it is.

Later on, when they're teens they will gradually begin to do their own thing.

Keep things consistent while they get used to the new model. Have something up your sleeve like "no we have plans later".

Perhaps your son is testing boundaries? Perhaps his dad is manipulating him?

Either way, you don't want to have a situation where you are constantly dropping off /picking up on the whim of a 9 year old.

Sicario · 04/02/2024 09:22

The kids will be okay. Give them time. Children pushing boundaries and buttons is a normal part of their development. Things change as they get older. e.g. sometimes you get the kevin-the-teenager stage when they turn into sullen little sods. (In fact the teenage years can be a real trial of fire.)

My humble opinion is that you are doing the right thing by maintaining a flexible outlook and supporting them in their own choices and preferences. Why pick pointless battles with your own kids? It sounds to me like your handling this all really well.

It is of course possible that your STBX is being manipulative, but there's nothing you can do about that. All you can do is remain consistent with your own parenting, keep a watchful eye, and lend them a listening ear.

Sowhatimstillarockstar9 · 03/02/2024 22:42

I agreed for my son to go to football with his dad this afternoon on my weekend. He picked him up at 12 lunchtime. I then got a message from my son to ask if he could stay with his dad tonight.
I just said oh we will chat when you get back. When he got back he asked the same thing and I said oh of course you can if that's how you feel. I asked him why he felt this way and he said he just did! He has gone to stay with his Dad 😔
He is only 8 so understandable.

I can't help but think it's been manipulated as a 'pay back' for my daughter not wanting to be with him.

I asked her if she would like a few hours with her Dad tomorrow while I take DS to a party and she said she would if I was there too.

I'm very worried about my children's bond if it turns out DS wants to be with his dad more.
I'm also worried about giving them so much choice that they can choose when they want to so certain things.
So if I plan something DS doesn't want to do he can go to dad's.

I must admit to thoughts this week that ot would have been easier if I had stayed. I could have coped with my unhappiness if the kids were OK.

Feeling a bit hopeless again!! 😔

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Sicario · 02/02/2024 22:25

He's reaping the results of his own shitty parenting and trying to rewrite history to garner sympathy. What a dick. Again, try not to worry too much. It's part of his divorce strategy and finger-pointing.

TimeForTeaAndG · 02/02/2024 12:54

GabriellaMontez · 02/02/2024 12:12

I feel like messaging back and saying she is fine when she is with me!!

Is there a reason you haven't. Seems totally reasonable.

I wouldn't in case they twist it as well yeah that's why she's so upset when she leaves you.