Hannah Ingram-Moore -Victim or Villain?

I saw this and thought she came across dreadfully. Hadn’t her father recently died at this point too? She was so over the top and clearly loving the limelight. Juxtaposed with the scientists etc who had absolutely earned their right to be sitting in the box and celebrated. It was all so inappropriate and embarrassing to watch.

Absolutely. I think there are some dodgy things about this situation, like when her father won an award and she called it ‘theirs’ (I think it was his knighthood), it’s just a bit icky. But then, a lot of things during Covid were icky, like clapping for the NHS and such. I get people’s frustration towards Tom’s fundraising but I think that was very indicative of public feeling at the time. If her charity has behaved incorrectly hopefully it will be found by the CC and dealt with.

However I am more fucking angry at how the government ‘spent’ money and how we, the public, are suffering for it now. We should all still be raging about the PPE situation, about how money was wasted, about the despicable behaviour of MPs partying and then fining the peasants £10k for doing the same or going for a walk. And now we’re discussing a recession and part of that is due to Covid catching finances catching up to us (among other things). But I think this lady will bear the brunt of the anger if any wrong doing is found, when most of it should be towards the government.

Agree.

I know people who used the situation via social media and it launched their career, one has ended up on tv. Covid was very beneficial for many people. For others, it was a death sentence.

Yep, I can't be mad at her unless she is found to have done something wrong. Using charity & PR to benefit oneself is completely normal.

I can’t speak for all the money obviously, but the trust I used to work for used theirs to employ an occupational psychologist (psychiatrist?) to help support staff in the aftermath of Covid. So some good did come from that money at least. As for her and the whole Captain Tom saga, from the start it felt exploitative of an old man at best, like a massive scam at worst. I hope she has to pay back every penny raised since his initial fundraiser.

Some people will.take any chance to have a pop at a Harry and Meghan ,this thread has nothing whatsoever to do with them🙄

She looks in her early 50s, do you think that is old?

Absolutely.

This kind of distraction is exactly what suits our apology for a government. “Oh, look over here and be outraged that a charity that raised voluntary donations spent them exactly as planned”. Meanwhile you won’t notice the billions of taxpayers’ money thrown at friends of various cabinet ministers and Tory MPs.

Loads of people did. That fucking doctor with the red hair who got wheeled out on Channel 5 and the BBC seemed to be loving her new ‘celebrity’ status, couldn’t stand her and her patients were all saying she had gone AWOL, too busy being famous.

I know people who used the situation via social media and it launched their career, one has ended up on tv. Covid was very beneficial for many people. For others, it was a death sentence.

Yes, his Wiki page says he married his second wife in 1968 when he would have been 48, she was 15 years his junior. So his two daughters would have been born around 1970 so will be early 50s now.

i dont know but i think it was so wrong that they went on that longhaul holiday,
what on earth was that all about

She had teenage kids so she can't be that old i.assumed captain Tom became a father at a,late age?

Her problem is she wasn't ambitious enough. If only she'd made millions selling faulty PPE to the government at inflated prices, she could have made it to the House of Lords.

Absolutely. I think there are some dodgy things about this situation, like when her father won an award and she called it ‘theirs’ (I think it was his knighthood), it’s just a bit icky. But then, a lot of things during Covid were icky, like clapping for the NHS and such. I get people’s frustration towards Tom’s fundraising but I think that was very indicative of public feeling at the time. If her charity has behaved incorrectly hopefully it will be found by the CC and dealt with.

However I am more fucking angry at how the government ‘spent’ money and how we, the public, are suffering for it now. We should all still be raging about the PPE situation, about how money was wasted, about the despicable behaviour of MPs partying and then fining the peasants £10k for doing the same or going for a walk. And now we’re discussing a recession and part of that is due to Covid catching finances catching up to us (among other things). But I think this lady will bear the brunt of the anger if any wrong doing is found, when most of it should be towards the government.

This answers exactly what I was coming to ask! He's reported as 'Tom Moore' and 'Mr Moore'. It would have been extraordinary for him to style himself as Captain Moore throughout his life. Whilst I'm sure we're all grateful for his service etc etc., he was a temporary Captain and left the Army post-war to, sensibly, resume civilian life running a concrete factory. Continuing to use Captain in those circumstances would have been.... very odd and it seems he didn't.

So, it was all a confection. And anyone who said 'this is absolutely ridiculous' was virtually dragged to the stocks so if you gave money 🤷🏼‍♀️

I always thought it was odd. It pissed me off at the time that people thought they were donating to the NHS and it would buy ventilators and PPE etc. NHS charities together is still a good cause but people were misled about what exactly they were donating to. The NHS is not a charity.

I felt like he was wheeled out at every possible opportunity to distract us from the shite job the government was doing.

She was one of many people trying to cash in on covid.

He was 100. How long do you think he realistically had?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-52213936.amp

Start of the walk - someone told the media. Note the normal clothes

amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/16/coronavirus-capt-tom-moore-raises-12m-nhs-completes-garden-walk

Right at the start it was billed as being for NHS staff - I thought it was all a bit sickly, but definitely not 'off' at the time. Just in the same attention seeking, maudlin, lauding the posh and the forces way British people lap this stuff up.

OP seems to be making a lot of sense. People who parted with their money now feel a bit stupid.

People who are stupid enough to stand on their doorstep and bang pots and pans while forcibly locked on their houses and if those stupid enough for fall for these dodgy people calling themselves fundraisers, they deserve to be scammed.

None of the supposed money has been used for a single medical procedure. All the while this grifting woman has been making a mint off feb back of this so called charity.

He actually caught Covid in Bedford hospital.

👏👏👏

But that is nothing to do with Tom, or his daughter. It was always VERY clear that the money was going to NHS Charities Together and you could have googled what that charity was all about in 2 seconds. But you chose not to and just assumed.

And you are STILL confused about the difference between the original NHS Charities fundraising, and then the later foundation established by the family which is entirely separate.

Seems to be an excuse for a thread to bash charities in general, tbh.

Villain

She's a smug wrong un

What @Hbh17 said. Sentimental claptrap.

The jaunt on holiday was inexcusable, at a time when many elderly would have wanted an exception to be made so they could be together with family in the UK.

Agree with this, I’m afraid. I didn’t see why walking around his garden was such a big deal.

The only positive to me was that other veterans also raised money after being inspired by him

I mean Joe Wicks profited hugely from lockdown. Was it really to help the nation or a way of making money? The workouts were pretty shite & half the time he was out of breath.