Hannah Ingram-Moore -Victim or Villain?

So remind me, what did they do with our national insurance payments? The NHS needs fucking privatising tomorrow.

Credit where it's due. She was good at PR - without her managing it, the story probably would not have got into the media and would not have raised all the money it did at the time.

However she then pushed her success a bit too far taking advantage of her reputation and the charity to make some questionable claims in relation to getting planning permission.

Clearly reputation management isn't part of her PR skill set.

Who knows what's behind the latest claim, that she invoiced for a public appearance in the wrong company name? Perhaps it was just for accounting reasons, maybe there is some fraudulent or tax avoidance intent behind it.

I totally understand what you are saying. My sister is a long-standing, very experienced nurse and the whole Covid situation almost broke her and I know she's not alone in that.

I think naive to say the very least - but an absence of knowledge about charity operations and regulations will have led to this. Many people think it's a doddle and can be done by anyone (ideally volunteers). It can't always - this is why you pay people to run charities, to ensure it's administered properly, within the law, and to serve the mission, avoiding conflicts of interest and egos. I have no issue with them paying someone to run the charity - there was a lot of money to distribute properly. I think her dad was a good man who did a good thing and it just all got a bit out of hand at a time when everything was all a bit much. There's no permanent charity there - the job is to distribute the monies and account for them in a proper way for the means they were raised for. Should all be closed in a few years. Legacy will live on in many impacts of that. Job done.

The NHS charities did receive the money from the initial appeal and certainly anything donated via CAF or JustGiving will have gone, less normal processing fees. Thereafter the Captain Tom Foundation is a bit less clear, but it’s also much less money, 20/21 just over £1m

Hence is under ongoing investigation by the charity commission. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/regulator-announces-statutory-inquiry-into-the-captain-tom-foundation

She as CEO (for those 9 months) is obligated to know where the money went and it does seem a bit irregular that speaking or appearance fees she got whilst representing the charity were paid to her private company and not the charity, if media reports are to be believed.

The family should still know where the money went as her husband is still a Trustee.

Unfortunately this type of thing can happen when people who don’t understand the charitable fundraising regulations set up charities. however well meaning they are. I don’t know if she did it knowingly or not, but I work in charity fundraising and remember quite a few of us were dismayed that the foundation was set up as the money was being funnelled perfectly efficiently to NHS charities together. So this was an extra layer of admin and control by someone who wasn’t really experienced enough to handle that amount of money and it seems didn’t understand or willfully ignored the onus on protecting the charity brand in order to protect the public trust. And there seemed to be clear conflicts of interest, which need to be declared and managed and perhaps weren’t.

Charity CEOs of large charities are paid accordingly as it’s complex legally.

I hope the charity commission get to the bottom of it as this does really damage trust in charities, most of which are well run and do the work they are supposed to and are increasingly relied upon by society.

I have to say I’ve not been impressed by her handling of things at all and I wouldn’t be donating to the foundation until the investigation is concluded. but NHS charities together is still a safe place to donate should you want to support.

Taken from her personal website- particularly love the use of the word authentic.

"BE UNWAVERING IN YOUR PURSUIT OF PERSONAL ACHIEVEMENT AND HAPPINESS, BE BOLD, AUTHENTIC AND REMARKABLE.”

I always thought it was very telling that you very rarely saw the other sister in any of the publicity… it felt like they wanted to be clearly distanced!

Previous poster seems to think Captain Tom caught Covid from Russ Abbot( no idea I'd this is true )
Russ Abbot released a single called Atmosphere in the 80,s it was very cheesy but when played at parties etc it got everyone up on the dance floor

I think Captain Tom was an old man trying to do something kind for charity. I feel like she was always a little bit too keen to be in the spotlight and all this new information makes me feel like she scammed her own father a bit. She's tarnished his memory and that's unforgivable. Telling that her own sister doesn't seem to have anything to do with her. I know of the family and live nearby. I feel very sorry for her children.

This.

It highlights the huge issue with Charity regulation in this country. As a trustee of a small charity it is a hugely bureaucratic exercise but it seems there is little in the way of actually regulating whether charities are actually being set up for charitable purposes and how to deal with charities that run limited companies on the side either directly or through trustees. Too many charities seem to just be vehicles for grifters yet small charities like mine (that provide music opportunities for disadvantages children) are drowning in paperwork. As long as you get the paperwork in it seems they don't really care if you are behaving morally and ethically.

I know a few well off people who live in big houses and send their DC to private schools. Some of them have a massive sense of entitlement, and think they deserve to be rich, above the law, and rules don't apply to them as they are smarter than the plebs around them.

I don't think she is an intentional fraudster. I think she has a massive sense of entitlement and lives in la la land and thinks what she has done is fitting with her standing in the community.

you may well feel the well-being of the staff is on the NHS, but the fact of the matter is left to the NHS fuck all would be done.
Charitable funds cannot purchase needed medical equipment, beds (where are they going and who is staffing them?) or respirators. That’s the NHS’s job. If charities start to do that then the government has to do even less.
You’ve had plenty of explanations but seem determined to focus on tampons and cake!
Food was provided to staff because they couldn’t leave wards. They couldn’t sit in staff rooms to eat. Barely took breaks. Food provided by charitable funding kept them fed and like someone else has said, meant they could work a bit longer. I’m not sure you want to understand though.

Total grifter.

There are two things that stand out to me. They are 'economical' with the truth in some areas of their lives (not to do with Cpt Tom.)

1 Her H's business is managing property developments and projects. He promotes his business as 'being able to push through planning applications' where they are difficult.

So it comes as no surprise that he's applied this to his own house and the building of a swimming pool etc for another use than originally stated.

2 She has recently set herself up as a life coach. Her 'experience' which she builds her profile on, is mainly her H's company, and some former PR work for other companies. Her experience looks rather inflated, to put it kindly.

She also refers to herself as an 'accredited coach' but she doesn't appear to have any formal training or belong to an accredited professional body (available for qualified coaches)

Now, anyone can call themselves a coach. It's unregulated, but there are a couple of established professional associations which set minimum standards and have a code of ethics. But to be accepted , coaches need 100s of hours of recorded experience and a verified form of training.

Make of that what you will.

That's fraud isn't it? To take money from a charity?

@pleasehelpwi3 of course they deserve it, they are royalty!

Please please can someone explain the Russ Abbott joke to me . And I'm old i should get it but i don't

Off topic, but I was criticised on here the other day for suggesting that Prince William's kids were spoilt for getting the best seats for the finals....like they deserve it. NOT.

The whole thing was nauseating, clapping an old man to walk round his estate to distract us from the billions wasted on crappy PPE which is being burnt for power....it was industrial scale theft.
Wanna make a few hundred million and know a Tory minister? Set up a PPE company and text your Tory mate to go on the fast track list, literally no questions asked. You can then rob the NHS blind, but don't worry, no-one will notice as they're all watching Captain Tom walk around and around....

This x 10000000

we have this in front of the hospital I go to for rheumatology and physio. There was definitely a collective bonkersness around the whole Sir Tom phenomenon, that as one PP says reminds me of the bonkersness after Princess Diana died. I think the latter was some sort of turning point whereby a nation renowned for its buttoned-up, stiff upper lip, morphed into sentimental, nostalgic over-reactors. The Tom Moore was a madness in mad times and is more understandable as people were bored, scared, traumatised and destabilised, and it was something good they could get behind.

Im not sure about Tom Moores motives (good I think and hope) but his daughter sounds an entitled, greedy opportunist.

@Giveuprobot I've been wondering about the title captain too. It was definitely deliberately done to raise his profile. Linking the fighting spirit of WW2 to our fight against COVID. The British public are suckers for such crap.

I think if anything the daughter demonstrates she is good at her job. No way he would have raised anything like the sums he did without someone, presumably her, organising and pushing the media coverage.

I'm not convinced he was manipulated, he has another daughter who could no doubt have advocated for him if she felt he was being taken advantage of.

I wonder who the bigger con artist is?

Hannah Ingram-Moore or @MrsImFedUpOfTheWeather?