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Hannah Ingram-Moore -Victim or Villain?

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MrsImFedUpOfTheWeather · 15/08/2023 21:17

I'm inclined to think we've been scammed. Am I being unreasonable?

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ConfusedGin · 17/08/2023 18:48

girlfriend44 · 17/08/2023 13:57

Does anyone know where the raised money has gone?

How do you find out?

The money raised initially, the £38-39m, went to the NHS Charities Together charity and has been distributed to support staff wellbeing and hospital experience. This is where donors were told it would be going at the time. The charity has impact reports that set out where that went, and this thread has LOTS of opinions on it which I won't get into, but to say I support NHS Charities Together.

The bigger issue is money that people have donated to The Captain Tom Foundation, which is the one under investigation. They also have a page on their impact, talking about the grants they gave and what they delivered.

If you dig a little deeper, you'll see that they made around £1.1m in income in their first year and gave out grants of £40k each to 4 charities. They spend an additional £240k on generating their income, setting up and running the organisation. There's a lot of money sat in their account, unable to be moved or added to whilst they are under investigation.

waterlego · 17/08/2023 16:56

TorroFerney · 17/08/2023 14:40

This is the gift that keeps on giving. Russell grant is an astrologer!

Hahaha. He is! I didn’t even twig that the poster had written astronomer 😂

howdoesyourgardengrowinmay · 17/08/2023 16:36

BIossomtoes · 17/08/2023 10:08

That’s taken a long time. The Trust I worked for did that in 2005 - it somehow managed to be in financial difficulties during the milk and honey years.

Printing? You still have printers? We've been paper free for years!!

TorroFerney · 17/08/2023 14:40

waterlego · 15/08/2023 22:41

I think that was Russell Grant. Russ Abbot was a ‘comedian’ in the 80s.

This is the gift that keeps on giving. Russell grant is an astrologer!

BlossomCloud · 17/08/2023 14:27

YeOldeBuxomWench · 16/08/2023 17:25

I think this story demonstrates totally what this pandemic was about - privileged people getting even richer off the back of the poor. She's just in the club.

Agreed. She was by no means the only one. But that doesn't make what she did any more acceptable.

The fact lots of people behaved awfully and profiteered is horrifying.

girlfriend44 · 17/08/2023 13:57

Does anyone know where the raised money has gone?

How do you find out?

GeorgeMichaelWasHere · 17/08/2023 12:42

Nottslady · 16/08/2023 01:31

I cannot believe the vitriol I am hearing, that people honestly think nhs clinical staff, especially those working in urgent or acute services, do not deserve a cup of tea and a mars bar. On a 12 or even 18 hour shift in A&E, when often there is barely time for a glass of water let alone a sit down and a cuppa, when they are doing everything they can with limited staffing, space, time, to save the lives of people you love, do you really begrudge your charity donation going towards food and drink?

As someone previously said, these staff members have paid for parking or transport to work, they pay inflated prices in the canteen or a vending machine (if they are lucking enough to have 5 minutes to do so) for anything food and drink they haven’t brought from home. They provide their own tea bags, milk, etc for the staff rooms. The kettle and microwave is often broken, the chairs are ripped, the cleaner has left so no ones emptied the bin for a week, something is broken but estates were called 3 weeks ago and still haven’t been.

They are working over their rota’d hours and so probably not being paid, perhaps because the next staff member is sick, late, quit, caught up with an emergency in the car park.

They owe thousands in student loans they took out to do this training.

They are not having a fucking cream tea like they are on holiday in Devon. They deserve a mars bar, or even a massage if they are damn lucky enough to find time to have one.

I know this was not the original point of the post but I could not walk away without sharing my absolute disgust at some of the comments I have read here about nhs staff getting any of the very small and very rare benefits that have been referenced.

Absolutely agree with this. Couldn’t have said it better myself. Well put!

CoffeeWithCheese · 17/08/2023 10:14

BIossomtoes · 17/08/2023 10:08

That’s taken a long time. The Trust I worked for did that in 2005 - it somehow managed to be in financial difficulties during the milk and honey years.

We would settle for a couple of GOOD staplers that work rather than the 57 crappy cheapo ones that don't scattered around the office to be fair.

BIossomtoes · 17/08/2023 10:08

CoffeeWithCheese · 17/08/2023 10:06

We've now had a trust-wide "no nice branded stationery" ban imposed on us. Along with our printing in black and white only policy which always amuses me as some comedian decided to name it "Thrifty Shades of Grey"

That’s taken a long time. The Trust I worked for did that in 2005 - it somehow managed to be in financial difficulties during the milk and honey years.

CoffeeWithCheese · 17/08/2023 10:06

x2boys · 17/08/2023 09:33

That's pens ime.😂

We've now had a trust-wide "no nice branded stationery" ban imposed on us. Along with our printing in black and white only policy which always amuses me as some comedian decided to name it "Thrifty Shades of Grey"

CoffeeWithCheese · 17/08/2023 10:03

Kissmycousinkate · 16/08/2023 18:55

Yes agree there is a staffing but crisis.if they dealt with the abuse of sick and the handsomely paid managers managed this they wouldn't have a staffing crisis. The poor buggers that are doing three peoples jobs are desperately looking elsewhere. Some people abused working in the NHS during covid some worked there arses off, some didn't step over the doorway, worked from home the whole time but still wanted the glory and discounts people were offering.

I always hated the cult of NHS worship (I've hidden my uniform - before I stopped wearing it cos they're optional in my team - before going past some of the more wanky examples of NHS performative worship cos it was so cringe)... and the Captain Sir Tom thing was bizarre when it happened (but kind of chalked down to the fact the world went fucking batshit insane) and the family were clearly on the grift pretty damned early on.

However - the doing multiple people's jobs thing is getting ridiculous in the NHS. My team is the most fantastic, supportive group of people I could ever meet and I am incredibly lucky with the role I landed and how I'm trusted to do my job, manage my diary etc (especially as a B5/6)... but we can't recruit - and you DO end up covering the gaps so people get seen and don't fall through the cracks (especially sorting out the mess post-covid - I work with a lot of people who've fallen very deeply into crisis as a consequence of the lockdowns and services being closed, and struggling to process all the changes and loss of routine etc). It took 5 months for anyone higher up to realise that, after I was promoted, I was still doing my original job as well as my new job because if I didn't - it wasn't going to get done. As a still fairly new clinician - I was holding together half the fucking county community caseload - between annual leave and people working part time, there were days when I was completely the only cover for massive areas of service and some very complex cases. That is bloody nuts - and I can understand why that level of expectation scares some of my peers away and they went for a "safer" feeling option of working in a clinic just churning through the caseload. I bloody love my job, love my client base and apparently I'm pretty damned good at it (it's one of those areas of work you either click with or find completely not your cup of tea) - but I got very close to burnout quite recently and one of the work patches I cover has a reputation as being one unable to hang onto my area of clinical staff for more than about a year just because of the intensity of the caseload and how hard going it is. Thankfully my Trust and my team really do try to prioritise keeping staff within the organisation once they recruit them so I feel supported.

The NHS can't afford to keep using staff in the same way you would disposable PPE - that means that culturally things need to change in terms of how they're supported and valued - and hell, things like tea and coffee might seem small - but do go some of the way towards that... however we're meant to have tea and coffee provided in all our bases (which is something they introduced to help with cost of living) and for some reason, as usual, the little offices community teams work out of miss out on this one and get nada - so I have my little tuppaware thing, with fold-up teaspoon that I end up carting around half the county.

BIossomtoes · 17/08/2023 09:43

x2boys · 17/08/2023 09:33

That's pens ime.😂

Those too. And small sharp knives.

x2boys · 17/08/2023 09:33

BIossomtoes · 17/08/2023 08:51

I thought everyone who’s ever worked in the NHS knew you had to have your own jealously guarded teaspoon.

That's pens ime.😂

OneFrenchEgg · 17/08/2023 09:24

You know, if you ask me, ole Tom looks hung AF in that photo.

And Russ is breathing on him 😒

😵 hung?? In a terry wogan way? 😵

BIossomtoes · 17/08/2023 08:51

I thought everyone who’s ever worked in the NHS knew you had to have your own jealously guarded teaspoon.

Towdalinenow · 17/08/2023 08:42

I have never seen a teaspoon in an NHS kitchen! I think yoghurt pots are responsible (the spoons end up in the bin).

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 16/08/2023 22:51

lemmein · 16/08/2023 02:18

Found it Grin

You know, if you ask me, ole Tom looks hung AF in that photo.

And Russ is breathing on him 😒

HiHoHiHoltsOffToWorkWeGo · 16/08/2023 21:40

Grifter.

The whole thing gave me the ick at the time - primarily because the NHS is not a charity and should be adequately funded by our taxes - but of course I was shouted down at the time.

She has a background in brand management and saw her father as a project. I don't think the old guy saw it coming; I feel a bit sorry for him any memory of him is overshadowed by his grifting daughter.

x2boys · 16/08/2023 21:33

Highdaysandholidays1 · 16/08/2023 21:11

I can't find the teaspoons in my own home and I'm pretty sure no-one here is using heroin...

Me either i think.there is a magical.land somewhere where.teaspoons and odd socks are kings .

Highdaysandholidays1 · 16/08/2023 21:11

I can't find the teaspoons in my own home and I'm pretty sure no-one here is using heroin...

MaggieFS · 16/08/2023 21:02

Spoons is not just an NHS thing. In every bloody office I've ever worked in, the teaspoons have legs.

Bonbonbonbonbons · 16/08/2023 20:34

Absolute shame on her. I knew from the start it wasn’t all it was painted to be and her awfully cringey display at Wimbledon a couple of years ago. She really does have an overinflated idea of her own self importance.

howdoesyourgardengrowinmay · 16/08/2023 20:11

Namechangedforthis25 · 16/08/2023 18:36

“That’s what’s meant to happen”?! Jeez you are quite something

i don’t think our average life expectancy is to be less than 70

Why do you think the state pension age has increased? So more people will die before they can claim it and the state is forced to cough up....

Rosscameasdoody · 16/08/2023 20:08

Fuckingfuming1 · 16/08/2023 17:11

And for you. I’ve got absolutely no issue with you taking it for a limited amount of time. But let’s not try and fall ourselves. There are plenty that have not paid in for 44 years and will take out for more than 44 years.

If you haven’t paid in for 35 years, you won’t get full state pension. If you’ve paid in for between 10 and 34 years you’ll get a reduced pension based on contributions. If you’ve not paid in for at least 10 years you get nothing. Simple.

Rosscameasdoody · 16/08/2023 20:04

Fuckingfuming1 · 16/08/2023 18:56

There is no solution to an ageing population that’s going to happen. It can’t be stopped
However, we have to reconsider how much support we can offer. We privatise the NHS because we cannot maintain its current form. It was introduced at a time very much like the old age pension when life expectancy was precisely 68, and now it’s not. It’s unsustainable, so we the people have to pay more in or they get less out. Not suggesting eugenics or a mass cull although Boris did basically do one by the back door.

How about stopping treatments that were never meant to be provided on the NHS ?