Hannah Ingram-Moore -Victim or Villain?

Her problem is she wasn't ambitious enough. If only she'd made millions selling faulty PPE to the government at inflated prices, she could have made it to the House of Lords.

I think it was last year, at Wimbledon she was in the Royal Box. Also there was a scientist who was very significant in developing the COVID vaccine. The commentator announced them to the crowd. Hannah stood up, made an exaggerated bow and waved. The scientist just looked embarrassed when she was announced. Says it all, really.

Well yes but usually that's one individual donation or from a uni etc. Not an amalgamation of small foundations.

For the foundation I mean. But tbh the nhs charities stuff will go on spurious staff wb iniatives as it can't be used say to pay staff unless its like mcmillan and even then I think it is mostly non paid affiliates.
I'd prefer taxes to be spent wiselynaybe even raised than an expectation that charities help fund the nuts and bolts of the nhs and other things like social care.

Exactly this. People seem to think that all
peope over the age of 70 are angels. There are exactly the same proportion of criminals, rapists, tax dodgers, thieves in that age group as there are in any younger age group.

Charities like this don't really fund important stuff like new machines.

They do. An entire cancer wing at our hospital was built from donated money. And just about every MRI in the country was given by charity at one stage.

Very well explained @Approaching. I often just having a feeling about this kind of thing but can’t articulate why.

You have put it perfectly. When the footage came on tv I’d inwardly groan & think “well yes it’s very nice that he can do that (walk up and down his driveway) at his age but what is it all about, really?”

But you feel so churlish voicing that kind of thought. I suppose time always tells, and those of us who were suspicious feel quietly confident about their gut feelings.

His daughter struck me as terribly smug, awfully pleased with herself. A bit of a Hyacinth Bouquet type but with more confidence.

Well I never bought into it in the first place, didn’t donate a penny, felt there were better ways to donate my money.

The whole thing just didn’t sit right with me from day one. I am not surprised at how it has turned out.

I mean tbf, it was pretty obvious the money was either going straight to the family or paid to them with some wellbeing stuff ie cakes for nhs staff. Charities like this don't really fund important stuff like new machines. It's not in their remit to do so. If you want to fund the nhs I'm sure there are reputable ways to do it and a charity founded by a publicity stunt family is not likely to be it.

How much has been raised by the charity after the initial £38m does anyone know?

It's a fucking Mansion by my standards - what's it missing to qualify - a fucking moat?

No, you’re right. The money’s gone to the right place. The issue is the mendacity of Hannah IG. I imagine her dad would be ashamed of her, he was a proper old school gentleman.

You're not an idiot! The money went to a good place (if you donated to nhs charities) and has been used for good.

The money raised from his walking went to the NHS. It's the Tom Moore foundation that was set up after that has issues. Payments for appearances that should have gone to the foundation went to her personal business.

I don’t think people should be suggesting you’re an idiot, or you should consider yourself one. You did what you thought was right. I feel sad that as a result of this, people are saying they won’t give to charity anymore, even though I can understand why they might feel that way.

@WinterBerry7 thanks for answering my question. So people shouldn't feel bad if they donated initially, I don't think, even if in hindsight the actions of the daughter are questionable, that initial money did make its way into the NHS charitable arm.

Absolute scammer. I hope she faces criminal charges.

She's definitely a villain. I don't think she exploited him though. People automatically assume elderly people are vulnerable and stupid. He knew exactly what he was doing and would have known it wasn't on to travel when everyone else was in lockdown. He was trying to earn money for his family.

I don’t think you’re an idiot OP. You did something in good faith that seemed helpful at the time. So did lots of others. That’s not idiotic.

I don't think there is any doubt that the money for the NHS went to NHS charities is there? I mean the Foundation didn't have control of that- I think the issue is with what happened subsequently, or have I misunderstood?

How do you know he’d been exploited? Not all old people are doddery and kind. He could have been on the grift from the start.

The money was given to NHS Charities Together and was distributed in stages to every NHS charity in the U.K. I can say this with 100% certainty. Every stage had restrictions attached to it - eg this portion of money must be used for staff wellbeing, this portion must be used for community outreach work, research and so on. How different charities and Trusts have applied that is down to them.
NHS charities cannot fund anything usually funded by the NHS. For example - PPE, beds, all the every day stuff. It has to be the ‘above and beyond’. So, nicer furniture, upgraded patient and staff areas that are a higher spec than the standard. So it may not come across as the best use but there will be reasons why, likely decided by the Trust.
The money fundraised originally isn’t in question.

However, her behaviour and actions after the initial fundraising and when they set up their own foundation? 100% dodgy. How she hasn’t been found out before now is beyond me.

But was there anything at the time suggesting she had dodgy motives? Asking as I genuinely don’t know. Not trying to disagree with you!

Laura Dodsworth called it out in The Book That Must Not Be Named. And she got a lot of shit for it

I understand the dodgy stuff all happened after Captain Tom's death. Hannah I-M seemingly planned exactly how to gain personal benefit from his fame. I think it is sad the whole episode, which provided light relief for some during a dark time, has been tarnished by this opportunist.