Hannah Ingram-Moore -Victim or Villain?

The Ingram-Moores are selling up
[Sans spa facility]

Thats great, i’ll have a look. I do think our Trust wasted it (but that doesn’t surprise me), but it will be good to read about where it has been spent well 👍🏻

It couldn't have gone on scanners or other equipment. That's because of the principle called additionality. It basically means that NHS charities mustn't fund things which the NHS should provide as standard. The reason is to avoid a slippery slope whereby NHS funding can be cut because charities are expected to pick up the slack. NHS charities can fund things which are cutting edge, innovative and really "above and beyond", but they'd typically still want to know that, if proven successful, the Trust would eventually pick up the funding. The other main area where the charities can spend money is on patient experience (including facilities, be it a new building or sprucing up a waiting room) and staff experience. During COVID, there was a general mood that NHS staff needed appreciation and support, so the Captain Tom money was generally directed towards that. I know it seems silly to buy treats for staff when there is lifesaving equipment you need, but nobody was expecting such a huge amount of money to come in this way. That said, it wasn't just treats and ice creams - you can read below the kinds of things some trusts did, such as provide mental health support, and I think some set up COVID specific bereavement counselling.

nhscharitiestogether.co.uk/captain-sir-tom-moores-incredible-legacy/

The treat we had from our trust was absolute rubbish (agreed by all our team). I would much rather have seen it invested into something like scanners or given to part of the nhs that urgently needed extra funds. We also had ice creams which although was kind and appreciated, I would still rather have had that money invested into something that could have changed lives. Does anyone know how it was spent across the country generally? Im hoping our trust just got it abit wrong and it was spent on much more worthy things.

@illiterato I know that. But right from the start, I always felt it was a weird story and I disliked the whole pressing the soldier , elderly , etc buttons. I know what happened to the NHS money, I know it went to the NHS charity and not to directly fund scanners etc and I've seen all the surprise from people who donated and didn't realise. I still think it was fishy from the start.

I think it’s important to reiterate ( because it is confusing) that the 38m from the original challenge went to the NHS charities as promised and there’s no question over that ( it went direct via just giving). The questions are over the Foundation which was set up after that to continue fundraising and yes, those two are fucking grifters and deserve what they got. At best they are incompetent and lack judgement. At worst they’re dishonest/ fraudulent. I’m reluctant to tar Capt Tom with the same brush because it’s unclear how much of the foundation’s purpose and the obvious conflicts he really understood and he’s not here to defend himself.

I came to find a thread on the latest update and didn't see one - both have been disqualified from charity trustee ship, ahead of the outcome of the investigation.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/captain-tom-daughter-charity-hannah-ingram-b2573317.html

It feels such a murky story right from the start really - how much was Captain Tom and the collective madness of the nation and leaders seeing some good PR.

I have no idea. And the news coverage is hard to follow and probably half tosh anyway.

However, I do think that people can be blinkered when it comes to an old man/old woman as they seem to think that they are sweet/good/harmless. Well, newsflash, the people who are mean and dishonest in life - they grow old too and look "sweet".

Any money that anyone gives away - you must be able to afford it and you must accept that you are not going to fully know what happens to it.

FitAt50 · 15/08/2023 21:31

Packageholiday · 15/08/2023 21:25

I can't understand what she's done wrong, I didn't really follow any of it and I read the recent article and still can't understand it

Really. She pays herself 80k a year to run the charity and built herself a swimming pool and spa in the grounds of her mansion and claimed it was an office to run the charity from”

This. Exceeded the planning permission too. It was supposed to be a facility for people to use for therapy. In reality, it was a private facility for the family and much bigger than allowed. The LA has told them it has to be taken down.
Got dubious vibes the very first time I saw her answering for her father on the BBC.

There is a documentary on channel.five on Sunday at 9pm about this it should be interesting.

Ha. Now they’ve got to tear down their spa. Hilarious.

I don't think he seemed cold at all.

He was genuine and during his lifetime it was legit. But after that some of the family were blinded by £ signs. They could even have done it in a way that invited less reproach (made it clear where each source of money was going) but were too blase to do it.

I think it could be illegal as they were kind of claiming things like the books were for charity when they weren't.

Villain. And I always thought her father was very cold - the apple didn't fall far from the tree.

Oh my god 🙈

She really has no shame.

this lady is exactly why I don’t jump on band wagons… clapping or an old man manipulated in to walking his garden..etc

Hahahaha!

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/oct/17/captain-tom-moore-family-defend-home-spa

I'd be very interested in the views of his other daughter, who avoided the limelight.

I didn't donate I just saw it as a big fuss about nothing, with Hannah pushing it with all her might.

It doesn't surprise me she tried skimming off for herself.

Isn't she just another loaded person benefitting from lockdown? Like all the PPE contracts etc? Some people always find a way to make money out of misery.

Absolute charlatan.

Paying herself 80k, building a spa “office” in her garden with the cash her dad raised, just a grifter with a posh accent so it’s all japes to her.

Her dad did a good thing, I don’t question his motives at all.

Appalling behaviour- basically using her father to profiteer from. Shameless.
She has sullied the ''Captain Tom'' name- I donated in those first weeks of Lockdown, and now wish I'd not.
Probably like many others.
I don't want to be funding her sodding pool and lifestyle.

😩

Absolutely as @lizzy8230 says, she looked put of the window one morning, saw her old dad pottering up and down and the opportunity to grift perhaps started innocently but soon snowballed when the media bandwagon was boarded.

I watched the piers Morgan interview. I tried to be open minded but they came across so badly. They’re so arrogant.

I don’t know if they set out to grift but they’ve certainly done that since then!

Grifter.....