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Would you move to Cape Town?

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ZarZarGabor · 15/08/2023 17:56

Sorry posting here for traffic.

A good job opportunity has come up to move to Cape Town with work, likely for 3 years or so. We have one pre-school age child and are aware childcare options there are more affordable.

We have spent some time there before and so are alive to some of the issues the country faces including crime, load shedding and bureaucracy. However we still absolutely love the place and want an adventure.

Would be grateful to hear the views of people who have direct experience living there, especially with a young child.

I know lots of people will have a “friend of a friend” who has had bad experiences in South Africa, but I’d really like to hear from people who actually live or have lived there about day to day life for an expat and the sorts of considerations we might have forgotten to factor into (we have already considered visas, healthcare, security, costly mobile phone data etc).

thanks for any advice.

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Agadontdontdont · 15/08/2023 21:55

Newjobformoremoney · 15/08/2023 21:38

@Agadontdontdont Kwazulu natal too. Farmers? If so, we will be related...

No not farmers 🙂

ZarZarGabor · 15/08/2023 21:55

loldollz · 15/08/2023 21:26

Sorry, op, I'm laughing at you having considered the costly mobile phone data but not seemingly being aware of all the rape and murder.

Not that it's funny, at all.

You just seem a bit a lot naive which would make you a perfect target so I'd stay well away.

Sorry I wasn’t trying to be flippant mentioning the cost of data, just an example
of the sort of day to day consideration an expat might not know about. My posts make it clear I am well aware of the crime and security situation, and this thread has largely focussed on people’s anecdotal (not direct) stories of crime. I have spent time there before so I’m not coming to this as a total outsider.

we have evaluated the security risk and are hoping to gain valuable insights about what other considerations, good or bad, we might have overlooked. The feedback is all helpful though!

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Barbadossunset · 15/08/2023 21:53

EnidSpyton what do you think the solutions are for South Africa’s problems?

EnidSpyton · 15/08/2023 21:51

IHateWasps · 15/08/2023 21:31

don't see any white people living in shanty towns - do you?

There's no doubt that equality hasn't yet been achieved but You haven't heard of Coronation Park just outside of Johannesburg?

www.bbc.com/mediacentre/proginfo/2014/07/extreme-south-africa

m.youtube.com/watch?v=gSPhu5W94UQ

This isn't a shanty town. It's a squatter's camp for people who are homeless.

Of course white people live in poverty in South Africa, as they do in countries all over the world. But a squatter's camp and a shanty town are not the same thing. Saying 'but white people are poor too' doesn't negate how racist and unequal South Africa is.

Many Black children living in shanty towns have never been registered as having been born. They don't even exist as citizens. They can't work. They have no rights. That is not the same as the situation white people living in Coronation Park are in. Attempting to compare them is, quite frankly, offensive.

I can't believe that people on this thread are trying to minimise the reality of how deeply ingrained racism is in South Africa and how unequal society remains. It's shameful. As someone who spent some time volunteering in a shanty town, it made me feel physically sick that so many wealthy white South Africans were perfectly happy to live a short drive away from millions of people living in dire poverty, their homes quite literally barricaded against the danger they perceived those people to represent to them.

And this is a country that the OP thinks it'll be an adventure to go and live in for three years. As long as she's on a luxury compound, that is.

It's sickening. I'm sorry if that's offensive to some people, but it really, really is.

AnnaKorine · 15/08/2023 21:49

As I side note, if you've neve lived there, how can you say how it is?? People are really commenting ignorant bs.

I think most people are repeating direct information from people who have lived there so it’s not really the same as just random views. Perhaps the OP might find them helpful? Depends if it’s a random one liner from a friend of a friend in a pub one night or regular detailed insight from close friends granted.

Crazycrazylady · 15/08/2023 21:48

Honestly it was just you and your dh id consider it but I wouldn't choose to bring my kids to live in such a lawless city.
Holidayed there a number of years ago but the stress answer pressure of constantly being alert was exhausting. I remember the car hire guy reminding us to leave absolutely nothing ( even a hoodie) in the back of the car as it would be broken into everywhere and not to stop for anyone or anything while driving along. Live is too short to live like that

Newjobformoremoney · 15/08/2023 21:44

Great post @ThroughGraceAlone

ThroughGraceAlone · 15/08/2023 21:42

I feel like all the answers are from people 'who know people'.
And if they're in the UK they know people that already made the decision to leave SA.
So the answers are skewed with people that left.
You're not getting answers from people that stayed. So it is not a true representation.
Anyway, from my side.
I am South African and we're currently living in the UK, also for a little bit of an adventure.

We're moving back to South Africa in November of this year and really looking forward to it. We have 2 young dc. 3 and 1.
The children are actually a huge driving force in us going back, I'm sure if we didn't have them, we'd have stayed in the UK longer
Heartily sick of dressing my kids like onions.
I want them to experience the sunshine and beauty of Africa.

Obviously we are not blind to SA's fault but I think it's a lovely place to raise children.

You don't even have to worry about long term settling, it's just for 3 years, I'd definitely do it.

A British family we've made friends with moved over to SA in March this year, for 4 years on a long term assignment. They work for the home office. They've got 2 young dc. 2 and 4 .Great feedback from them thus far.
We're also on a group with 4 young families moving back from UK to SA.

As I side note, if you've neve lived there, how can you say how it is?? People are really commenting ignorant bs.

Newjobformoremoney · 15/08/2023 21:42

@EnidSpyton ok love. Night

EnidSpyton · 15/08/2023 21:41

Newjobformoremoney · 15/08/2023 21:29

This is my last post to you @EnidSpyton but freedom and equity or a equitable society aren't the same thing. Also, you're absolutely derailing the thread 😂
I think you're confusing the two. And I think you don't fully understand the situation

You can't have freedom or equity in a society that isn't equitable. Your posts keep revealing that it's you who doesn't understand anything about this issue, I'm afraid. Surprising for someone who has 'anti-apartheid activist' parents.

This discussion isn't derailing the thread at all. Endemic, overt racism is something a newcomer to SA needs to be aware of. Living alongside that isn't comfortable or easy.

DeeCee77 · 15/08/2023 21:38

namechangenacy · 15/08/2023 21:05

I agree with you but I would counter one point and say that most South Africans (and I can only speak for myself personally and many of my friends living there now and here)

Our version of "violence" and most people from the uks version of "violence" are not the same. Not even in the neighbourhood Personally I find walking around London in the sketchy areas at night alone as a female doesn't even register on my danger scale.

But 100% about the companies size ect and everything else. Different strokes different folks ect.

London is actually very safe (comparatively speaking).

New Orleans (on the positive side) you think Jazz, Mardi gras, you should also be thinking "I'm 50 times more likely to get murdered here than London".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_homicide_rate

List of cities by homicide rate - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_homicide_rate

Newjobformoremoney · 15/08/2023 21:38

@Agadontdontdont Kwazulu natal too. Farmers? If so, we will be related...

lissie123 · 15/08/2023 21:37

No it’s not safe.

Agadontdontdont · 15/08/2023 21:36

Newjobformoremoney · 15/08/2023 21:27

@Agadontdontdont I also really like the new zulu king. I think he could be a real turning point and will take the Zulu royal family into the new era

I heard the same about him. I’m from a small town near Pietermaritzburg but most of my family have moved to the KZN coastal towns so that’s where I’ll move to. Probably not Ballito as everyone and their dog have moved there 😂

IHateWasps · 15/08/2023 21:31

don't see any white people living in shanty towns - do you?

There's no doubt that equality hasn't yet been achieved but You haven't heard of Coronation Park just outside of Johannesburg?

www.bbc.com/mediacentre/proginfo/2014/07/extreme-south-africa

m.youtube.com/watch?v=gSPhu5W94UQ

Newjobformoremoney · 15/08/2023 21:29

This is my last post to you @EnidSpyton but freedom and equity or a equitable society aren't the same thing. Also, you're absolutely derailing the thread 😂
I think you're confusing the two. And I think you don't fully understand the situation

Cowlover89 · 15/08/2023 21:28

Nope I wouldn't

Newjobformoremoney · 15/08/2023 21:27

@Agadontdontdont I also really like the new zulu king. I think he could be a real turning point and will take the Zulu royal family into the new era

Packageholiday · 15/08/2023 21:26

😂 Thank you, my mind was boggling

loldollz · 15/08/2023 21:26

Sorry, op, I'm laughing at you having considered the costly mobile phone data but not seemingly being aware of all the rape and murder.

Not that it's funny, at all.

You just seem a bit a lot naive which would make you a perfect target so I'd stay well away.

EnidSpyton · 15/08/2023 21:26

@Packageholiday it's when electricity is shut down regularly on rotation to ensure that a supply can be maintained.

In SA this means that there are frequent power outages.

EnidSpyton · 15/08/2023 21:24

Newjobformoremoney · 15/08/2023 21:18

You know what @EnidSpyton well done. You’re right. You totally have an incredibly complex situation down.
I’ll sit down and tell my parents (both anti-apartheid activists who spent lots of time in jail) that what they fought for wasn’t freedom. I’ll chat to family friends who have scares from fighting apartheid.
it’s a complex situation. I can appreciate that. Can you?

Of course I understand it's a complex situation. Which is why I'd never blithely refer to the ending of apartheid as providing 'freedom for everyone'.

Your parents may have fought for freedom, but it hasn't been achieved. I'm sure they know that as well as you do, so I'm not really sure what your point is here. Pretending that freedom for everyone was achieved denies the experience of millions of South Africans who are still effectively living under apartheid conditions. I don't see any white people living in shanty towns - do you?

HolidayHappy123 · 15/08/2023 21:24

I love CT and have been there recently. But load shedding and crime make it a no from me too.

Packageholiday · 15/08/2023 21:23

What's load shedding please

sentinent · 15/08/2023 21:23

I'm South African. Been in the UK 17yrs. Ultimately the lifestyle is great, but the risk is too high. Unfortunately things seem to have worsened over the past few years, so whereas 10yrs ago, I would've have said go for the adventure, now I can't. I grudgingly go back once a year to see my parents, but I hate the fear. My dad had a gun held to his head in his driveway for his car in an affluent suburb. The last time I was there, 2 male shop assistants were leering at my 12 yr old CHILD. I'm actually skipping my next trip to see my parents as I just can't accept that.