Clive/Dave/illuia/yullia thread 2

and honestly.... the process is clearly step by step. Do one step (DNA) then do the next step. Take guidance from the HC. They at least know what is required.

I do hope that you and the family get home safely. But honestly- stop making it so difficult for yourself. As my former boss used to say 'Go and do the necessary'.

Clive, get off MN and go and call the High Commission about those DNA tests.

Another rewrite and this line is now included:

We are asking for help to pay for legal funding accomodation and food

Phew. I've finally caught up. Great detective work. What a pair of numpties. And I wouldn't care if that's where it ended but blaming others and expecting others to sort out their mess is not on.

I'm afraid I don't have much to contribute apart from the fact I've been to Rodney Bay, and nice as it was, it certainly isn't the Caribbean idyll one would have in mind for sharing on Instagram. There is a fun looking inflatables area though with lots of slides!

There is a reason they didn’t get one for their daughter, one dearest Clive is keeping to himself.

Agree. Either he doesn't want her to have one because:

A) Of his beliefs (and he may be concealing this from Iuliia by hiding the truth that he can get a passport for the elder one but doesn't want to)
B) He is trying to control Iullia and prevent her from leaving the country with his daughter without him. (He REALLY doesn't want to leave Iullia by herself and go look after his elder distraught daughter does he? Hmm)
C) They are prevented from getting her one for child protection reasons.

He is a man with a complex about authority being 'out to get him'.

There are a lot of bright red flags about his behaviour here.

why oh why didn't they just fly somewhere, sit tight , give birth in the waves when the 🐬 called, follow the legal process, fly home.

You can buy open ended, changeable air tickets.

Could have emailed the High Commission of whichever country and asked about legal timescales ?

why oh why Clive? And Iuliia ?

I think Clive’s idea of due diligence is booking a one way plane ticket, applying for a credit card and asking auntie to care for older child.

it’s the sense of entitlement that they can bend the rules but are still entitled to so much.

on another note, had they made it to the beach and had things started to go wrong and they had decided to go to a hospital, would they have been given free medical care and if not had they insured against this?

Well if they rock up at the hospital saying they wanted to freebirth in the UK it'd possibly set social services off. It was explicitly voiced to me that it would raise concerns as I had an unusual case history.

A red flag over 'wacky behaviour' of the Freeman father might well also do the same.

I think the last thread debunked the idea that the older daughter was a step child of Clive’s.

I gave birth abroad (because I lived there and had medical insurance) and whilst visiting the UK on may leave applied for a British passport for DC here. Quite straight forward, a little time consuming.

more recently (and now back living in uk) we have applied for new passports for both children. Amazingly the government didn’t refuse my application and returned them back efficiently and quickly. There is a reason they didn’t get one for their daughter, one dearest Clive is keeping to himself.

Clive champ, if you're reading this, you didn't do " due diligence ".

You wouldn't be in this situation if you had.

I'd take it out of the GFM because it makes you look daft.

Is Clive the 8 year olds dad? If not, perhaps her actual father has objected to her going abroad/has her passport/whatever and that's why she cannot currently travel?
Or is she subject to care proceedings that means she cannot be taken abroad by a parent?

My dd was born abroad in a hospital with an American birth certificate and still it took me months to get her consulate birth certificate and passport, and this was years ago before they made it even slower! Anyone who adopts abroad will also tell you it takes ages to get a foreign issued British passport with the correct passport, usually you just get a permission to travel document.

This is what I don't get.

Just where does anyone read on the internet that that this is a quick process?
No where at all.

= Due Diligence

Of my family who have kids born outside the UK, it's taken endless hoop jumping and documenting.

They haven't got a passport for their eldest child. They haven't managed that whilst actually based in the UK.

= 🤔

These people can not possibly have done "Due Diligence " . That's literally a joke.

It smacks of half baked, tin hat, freetwatery , "do your own research " , conspiracy theory, jus soli, jus sans blah blah, internet diving.

And then just to make it even more difficult- they rock up too late to the hospital just to get the basic^ birth certificate! ^

Due Dilligence my A*.

If he is a Freeman is it possible he doesn't believe that children need a passport or objects to them or something daft like that. It's just that all this business with not renewing the elder daughters passport first because "they forgot" and then because "the UK authorities refused to renew it" makes me think that maybe Iuliia wanted to but Clive started making up shit about why it wasn't possible. Like others say there's bits of this story that just don't add up.

I can believe they are inept but only to a point. And this constant conspiracy theory bollocks or refusal to take responsibility for their own shit does make me wonder.

Given that Freeman believe things are only legal if you give consent and children cannot consent I'm wondering if this is part of the mentality and they thought they could blag it.

This jus soli business and one way tickets also is fascinating coupled with a claim that the government refused to renew their daughter's passport. You can come up with any number of trashy novel worthy explainations for that one. MN could have some fun with that. I'm thinking comedy incompetent bond villain style.

Due diligence and one way flight tickets are not things that stand up together - you can buy open ended return flights which you can change the dates on. They didn't. If you were being duely diligent that's what you'd do. Or you'd realise that there wasn't a cat in hell's chance of you making the return flight date you'd planned if there were delays to your paperwork which are common enough for you at least to have a large contingency fund for. They didn't.

Why do they need 15k anyway. Clive's maxed credit card is 6k. Why do they need another 9k? Even accounting for return flights and more accommodation and living costs, you still have the be living the high life for a long time to be hitting that 9k.

Also, did you know that egosurfing is a sign of being a massive narcissist prick?

His GoFundMe is still at £110 . Oh dear!

None of it makes sense. Either something very dodgy is going on or they didn’t actually think about the need for the baby to have a passport before being brought into the UK.

I once sat opposite a couple and their tiny baby on Eurostar. When staff came round checking and asked for the baby’s passport they didn’t have one. Said they didn’t realise they needed one because they would apply when they got home.

The staff were very polite and calm but border officials escorted them off the train when we arrived and took them away.

These 2 are with elaborate trolls/chancers trying to make money or very naive

My dd was born abroad in a hospital with an American birth certificate and still it took me months to get her consulate birth certificate and passport, and this was years ago before they made it even slower! Anyone who adopts abroad will also tell you it takes ages to get a foreign issued British passport with the correct passport, usually you just get a permission to travel document.

I'm not in the habit of donating my money to people who rent private yachts.

Fucking idiots.

I wonder if the 8 year old's passport hasn't been renewed for her own protection? I mean she's probably better off away from this pair of nutters.

What about the Russian mother's own immigration status in the UK? That's clearly got something to do with the DNA test requirement for a UK passport.

Oh I don't know. When I first read this tale of woe my first thought was they had brought it all on themselves and were the stupidest people I'd ever heard of. My view hasn't changed.

Personally I don't understand why they bleat on about the cost of a ticket. You'd have bought returns surely? Maybe not for the baby that had not yet been born, but for the adults.

If everything happened exactly as they said it happened- then they are barely competent functioning adults.

I actually think I could be persuaded to donate based on this blurb. It’s honest, factual, and makes you feel sorry for them. Unlike the bs sob story they have actually written.

Also feeling overly-invested in this sorry saga, and waiting for updates/ more info - even more explanations from the MNer who claims to know this couple personally would be fascinating.
I don't usually wish that the DM would pick up on a story on here and investigate it properly. Maybe what it actually needs is someone like James from https://justpikachoo.com/ to look into it more (and as they're now advertising a crowd-funder they're eligible for his er services).

As an aside, I note that flights from Grenada to Heathrow/Gatwick are currently available at less than £500 per person, so don't understand why Clive claims tickets now cost many thousands. Perhaps he could come on here and tell us?

Seeing as Clive is doing something of a rarity and taking advice I propose he rewrite his funder.

We are broken. We stuffed up and are now in a bit of a mess.

We vastly underestimated what freebirth abroad would involve in terms of paperwork. The Consulate are being supportive but are limited in what they can do to speed the process up.

Meanwhile what we thought would be a short trip in paradise has turned into a nightmare and we need support.

We made a huge mistake.

But the one thing this pair won't do is admit it was a mess of their own making and they just need to be patient and sort it out as and when the authorities clear their paperwork.

Spouting freeman bollocks won't help their cause. I'd go on a deliberate go slow if someone kicked off like that.

Are they really there is a good question?

My gut reaction is that this is what it seems. They really are there, they honestly didn’t think it through.

oh god thank you for this @RedToothBrush 😂

Those poor Sovereign Citizens. The retelling of this tale practically makes it sound as if the UK government wrenched them away from their wailing 8 yr old and has forced them to live on their private rented yacht for the last 6 months.

Won't SOMEONE think of the CHILDREN and ALSO THE HAIR LOSS.

I agree. And I distrust that it's real except for the fact someone has gone to the trouble to put money in.