To think hotels are very child unfriendly

Because that’s the only way you can be late - your own error. Trains are never delayed. There’s never a RTA causing traffic chaos.

I agree that some people need to manage their time better but some parents need to manage their learning experiences better.

Because missing a connection has consequences that may be significant (financial, ruined trip etc) whereas a child not getting to practice at that precise moment does not.

If you are going to miss a connection just because of a toddler on the stairs then I suggest you need to be more organised.

How do you know the toddler & it's parents doesn't have somewhere to be but just left in time whereas the adult is just running late?

Because people who are late and rushing don’t choose that moment to stop and practice toddling down steps.

An older person having to carefully navigate stairs is very different to a parent choosing to pick a really bad time for their toddler to be practising steps.

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Unfortunately some people seem to confuse criticism of adult choices as a sign that people hate children/view them as second class citizens etc.

It's not the children being criticised.
It's the parents.

It's not a toddler's fault if their parents decides that a busy train station is a perfect place to learn walking down a flight of stairs.
Challenging the parent's decision does not equal hating children.

Same with hotels/cafes/other non-play venues.
It's not a child's fault that they have parents who encourage charging around and behaving in a situationally inappropriate way.
Challenging parents who shrug their shoulders and say "but it's developmentally appropriate for children to charge around Costa" and get sulky when other adults (including non-permissive parents who like children) does not equal hating children.

Maybe they're running to catch the train as a parent has just been taken to hospital? Maybe they were meant to leave the house much earlier but their child needed extra comfort before they left so they're running late? Maybe they have ADHD and are panicked as they're late? Why does a toddler who has no where to be trump an adult who does?

This is nonsense, why are you inventing reasons why someone is in dire need of more consideration? How do you know the toddler & it's parents doesn't have somewhere to be but just left in time whereas the adult is just running late?

I’m not talking about the no other option but the 18 month old painstakingly slow while mum smiles on oblivious to surroundings.
When they announce platform it’s often a stampede of people type situation.

The suitcases aren't being coaxed to run down the stairs on their own, while everyone else waits for them to figure it out.

what's that got to do with anything? I'd rather a toddler banged into me as opposed to a running adult. Last week an old man was almost knocked of his face by let person, I guess he shouldn't be using the station?

Maybe they're running to catch the train as a parent has just been taken to hospital? Maybe they were meant to leave the house much earlier but their child needed extra comfort before they left so they're running late? Maybe they have ADHD and are panicked as they're late? Why does a toddler who has no where to be trump an adult who does? The mother can just move them to side and let them past and then carry on dithering on the stairs if they want. A toddler can learn stairs at many points. Am adult who's parent is dying in hospital cannot wait.
(I get that in most cases these adults do not have parents dying in hospitals I'm just pointing out why normally adults take priority in these situations. They are often on their way to important time sensitive events)

The suitcases aren't being coaxed to run down the stairs on their own, while everyone else waits for them to figure it out.

Because missing a connection has consequences that may be significant (financial, ruined trip etc) whereas a child not getting to practice at that precise moment does not.

It’d be the same if a parent was the one hurrying with child and suitcase.

For God's sake kids are part of society.

It's weird how kids & older people I would add are seen as less then others.

A kid slowly walking down steps would bother me less then someone hurtling down the steps with a suitcase because they are running late.

But sometimes there isn't any option - I am often in the position where I need to carry the buggy down the steps while my preschooler walks down. Sometimes he is slow because he is little and people still huff and try to push past him

True but in some necks of the woods (like mine) adults are chastened (kindly or not!) for not having situational awareness. If parents do it for the kids then it hopefully ingrains the lesson and there are fewer adults getting told off by their peers.

The lack of situational awareness and no consideration that their choices impact on other people.

See also:

Now wait a minute where's my purse, let me rummage around the giant bag, got it... Reward card you say. Yes I'm sure I've got one in here somewhere, let me rummage through 3 months of cards and receipts to find it. Actually I've got a coupon too. It's loose in the bag so I need to have a bit more of a rummage whilst continuing a conversation about the weather.

It's a similar outlook to oh darling, you just peruse the fruit section, now we'll chat about what we like, then find them, then you can stand there blocking everyone else getting in whilst you decide which apple you want. We'll repeat this round the whole supermarket. Then naturally instead of loading the belt as an adult, we'll go at snail pace so the 6 year old can have a learning experience. It doesn't matter that a queue is forming. And now it's all scanned and any adults getting impatient need to value my child more. Let's get the card out, are you going to tap the card or is Mummy? You're going to. Wow you're so clever.

Just no consideration for other people.

Busy train station where people are running down steps with cases to make connection is not time to let toddler practice walking on steps.

tbh i'm not sure why the person running around with a suitcase has priority over a toddler.

For God's sake kids are part of society. Are we all supposed to do everything all online for fear of going into a supermarket, what next? It's ridiculous, no one does their shopping purely online and I'm not sure which adult you are referring to. I don't have one to hand to send out on chores.

It’s the time and place thing isn’t it?
Busy train station where people are running down steps with cases to make connection is not time to let toddler practice walking on steps.
Awareness of overall situation is needed.

It's exactly these instances that annoy me greatly. The excuses that are expected to make it all ok and therefore implying others are unreasonable.

Why would people get up to go elsewhere if they were not genuinely disturbed? So it wasn't really 'just a little run around, nothing really'.

Sane with waking up people next door. Why would they bother to call to complain if it was only one little shriek and nothing more.

You need to face the reality that what you consider insignificant events are genuine disturbances for others.

I think we need tills for people who want a chat

Situational awareness! That’s the phrase I was trying to think of before and the key part to all of this really

I meet adults like this all the time tbf, cycling on pavements, huge rucksacks on the tube, stopping at bottom of escalator etc. I don't think it's because they were allowed to pick bananas at supermarkets.

I think they are slower in general at the supermarket eg picking things up, reading labels. Obviously many aren't as quick as they once were physically.
At the till it's often rummaging for purse, card, slow packing, chatting with people behind getting annoyed. But sad really

Situational awareness! That’s the phrase I was trying to think of before and the key part to all of this really

I see this lack of consideration a lot towards older people as they are often slow on stairs, public transport, take longer in the supermarket at the till etc

usually they take longer at the till because they want to have a chat. There is a market for a chatty slow till I think!

Exactly. No one needs "supermarket skills" under the age of 12, and even that is questionable. Holding up everyone else to let a six-year-old push a trolley or select bananas is supremely inconsiderate.