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To think hotels are very child unfriendly

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Ontheclifftop · 14/08/2023 10:17

We've just come back from a weekend away in a hotel with dd aged 5 and ds aged 3. Three incidents really made me realise how unwelcoming hotels are to young families:

  1. When we were checking in after a long drive the kids were letting off a bit of steam. I know how that sounds, but they were just running around a bit, not getting in anyone's way or anything. Two people who were sitting on couches reading newspapers got up and left, one sighing heavily and one giving us a dirty look.
  2. At about 7ish the following morning we got a call from reception to say the people in the next room were complaining about the noise. Again I know how that sounds, but dd and ds were playing quietly with some teddies. DS let out one squeal of excited laughing but other than that they were perfectly fine.
  3. Following that call I said I'd take them down to the swimming pool as I knew it opened early. When I got down the attendant said it was adult only between 7.30 and 9.00. I explained about the phone call and pointed out there were only 2 people in the pool and I'd do my best to ensure we'd stay down at the shallow end and not get in their way. But he refused to let us in.
The whole thing really pissed me off. What are you supposed to do with young children in a hotel? If they play quietly in the room someone complains. If you try to use the facilities to keep them occupied, you're told you can't.

AIBU to feel hotels are just totally unwelcoming to young families nowadays?

OP posts:
HarrietJet · 15/08/2023 18:28

jolaylasofia · 15/08/2023 18:25

if you have a nervy dog then i probably wouldn't use a hotel at all. you are just as likely to get noisy grown men or women on a night out.

Do grown men and women on a night out spend hours rampaging up and down corridors slamming doors? 🤔

jolaylasofia · 15/08/2023 18:25

MoreThanEnoughSoFar · 15/08/2023 15:33

I must rant.

The last many times I have stayed in a certain (quiet) hotel, I have had the misfortune to have people like your family living in the room next door. Parents who think everyone loves their children as highly as they do. It's a pets allowed hotel, so I bring my quiet dog who never bothers anyone. It's also a hotel frequented by people on business trips who are up early for meetings and flights, so it's expected guest do not make noise in the evening. We like the area because we get a change of scenery and some nice long walks and I can do some work. Unfortunately children 'letting off some steam' slam doors on both sides, do what sounds like parkour against walls after 10, run up and down the corridor outside for hours, throw sticky sweets on the floor, yell and scream and forget what room they are in so knock on my door (!) and slam their own room door every 5 minutes when they run in and out.

My dog ends up shaking all over and drooling, and though I tell myself every single time = just ignore it, the parents must somehow realize it's just not on and stop the noise, they NEVER do. So I'm that annoying Fawlty Towers guest who call down in reception and complain about my dog's nerves. I hate to do that, but I hate even more to have my dog traumatised, and my getaway ruined, because parents believe hotel corridors are part of their room and/or a place to exercise their children.

And just to be clear: I would NEVER choose a hotel marked child-friendly, because I know what to expect there.

So yes. YABU.

if you have a nervy dog then i probably wouldn't use a hotel at all. you are just as likely to get noisy grown men or women on a night out.

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 15/08/2023 18:24

Summerrainagain1 · 15/08/2023 17:40

Well I guess it depends on if we take OP's post at face value. A couple of kids running about for the couple of minutes it takes to check in? Yeah I couldn't feel bad about someone getting in a mood about that. Hotel lobbies are for people to be in, there is going to be noise and hustle and bustle. I don't like this whole idea that children making any kind of noise is intolerable but perfectly fine for adults to get drunk and loud, or talk loudly on the phone or whatever.

Why do people always bring up "drunk adults" when kids' behaviour is challenged?

I haven't seen a drunk or rambunctious adult in a hotel lobby, or on a plane, in 30 years, including Vegas and holiday resorts.

jolaylasofia · 15/08/2023 18:18

lovewoola · 15/08/2023 13:52

I think they are slower in general at the supermarket eg picking things up, reading labels. Obviously many aren't as quick as they once were physically.
At the till it's often rummaging for purse, card, slow packing, chatting with people behind getting annoyed. But sad really

i had a couple of elderly people walk all the way up a narrow high street infront of me with my pram. They were blocking the whole pavement and walking at a snails pace- totally understand they can't help that but at least have the courtesy to look around and see the 20 people walking behind you and then walk single file.

I couldn't go around them and i said excuse me sorry/please 10 times. lIm always polite and respectful to older people but there is alot of entitlement amongst them too.

Summerrainagain1 · 15/08/2023 17:52

Dixiechickonhols · 15/08/2023 17:49

I think the test of if it’s multiple people complaining/huffing it’s probably you is a good one.
Op had only been in hotel about 15 hours and 3 separate people had been disturbed by their behaviour, that’s a big pointer that it’s you/your children out of step with what is appropriate behaviour.
Same with bananas/kids trolley in supermarket. If it’s one person in 6 months huffing then it’s not worth thinking about if it’s every week then either everyone in your town is a child hater or the more likely explanation is you are being oblivious to people around you.

This is a good point. We've stayed in hotels loads with the kids, and even eye rolls are huffing have been veyr rare. We've never had an actual complaint.

gogomoto · 15/08/2023 17:50

All of the things you mentioned seem completely reasonable to me. The reason why there is adults only times in pools is because that is for length swimming and no squealing. If I was quietly reading two kids excitedly and noisily coming in running about rather than waiting with their parents would make me sigh and 7 is way to early for excited laughter.

I am a parent, we stayed in hotels a lot and managed to never have a complaint because I didn't let them run around inappropriately, and they didn't get up until at least 8am (still don't unless they have to)

Dixiechickonhols · 15/08/2023 17:49

I think the test of if it’s multiple people complaining/huffing it’s probably you is a good one.
Op had only been in hotel about 15 hours and 3 separate people had been disturbed by their behaviour, that’s a big pointer that it’s you/your children out of step with what is appropriate behaviour.
Same with bananas/kids trolley in supermarket. If it’s one person in 6 months huffing then it’s not worth thinking about if it’s every week then either everyone in your town is a child hater or the more likely explanation is you are being oblivious to people around you.

Summerrainagain1 · 15/08/2023 17:40

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 15/08/2023 17:37

It was more than eyerolls, though. People got up and left due to the commotion the children were causing in the lobby of a nice hotel.

Part of what people pay for is ambiance; if all they wanted was a bed and a toilet they could stay in a cheap hostel. Relaxing in a pleasant hotel lobby is part of the journey, for some people. Or perhaps they were reading the news while their travel companions finished dressing, or waiting for a tour guide to show up, or otherwise having a calm moment. Why should some entitled louts be permitted to disrupt that? Indoor reception areas and hallways aren't for racing about.

Well I guess it depends on if we take OP's post at face value. A couple of kids running about for the couple of minutes it takes to check in? Yeah I couldn't feel bad about someone getting in a mood about that. Hotel lobbies are for people to be in, there is going to be noise and hustle and bustle. I don't like this whole idea that children making any kind of noise is intolerable but perfectly fine for adults to get drunk and loud, or talk loudly on the phone or whatever.

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 15/08/2023 17:37

Summerrainagain1 · 15/08/2023 17:27

  1. I would probably have allowed my kids to do this, within reason, and wouldn't have cared about some eye rolls. That's hardly the hotel's fault though.
  2. I reckon to get complaints they must have been really quite loud, the hotel very badly sound proofed or the neighbours very light sleepers. If the first, that's on you, the second on the hotel and third on the neighbours.
  3. That's life, think you ABU to be annoyed about that.

It was more than eyerolls, though. People got up and left due to the commotion the children were causing in the lobby of a nice hotel.

Part of what people pay for is ambiance; if all they wanted was a bed and a toilet they could stay in a cheap hostel. Relaxing in a pleasant hotel lobby is part of the journey, for some people. Or perhaps they were reading the news while their travel companions finished dressing, or waiting for a tour guide to show up, or otherwise having a calm moment. Why should some entitled louts be permitted to disrupt that? Indoor reception areas and hallways aren't for racing about.

HarrietJet · 15/08/2023 17:33

takealettermsjones · 15/08/2023 17:26

I'm not being disingenuous; somebody literally suggested that children shouldn't be in a supermarket at all until age 12, and even then it was questionable. Despite what some people think, I will not allow my children to just do whatever they want and yes, if it's taking too long I will hurry them up - but I was (and am) arguing against the suggestion that my children, even when being perfectly behaved and simply taking a tiny bit longer (so yes, seconds) because they are children, shouldn't be doing that at all.

somebody literally suggested that children shouldn't be in a supermarket at all until age 12, and even then it was questionable
Ok, well that's obvious nonsense, to be fair.

Summerrainagain1 · 15/08/2023 17:27
  1. I would probably have allowed my kids to do this, within reason, and wouldn't have cared about some eye rolls. That's hardly the hotel's fault though.
  2. I reckon to get complaints they must have been really quite loud, the hotel very badly sound proofed or the neighbours very light sleepers. If the first, that's on you, the second on the hotel and third on the neighbours.
  3. That's life, think you ABU to be annoyed about that.
takealettermsjones · 15/08/2023 17:26

HarrietJet · 15/08/2023 17:16

You've used the phrase "a couple of seconds" a few times now. You must realise people aren't talking about a literal couple of seconds?
So disingenuous...

I'm not being disingenuous; somebody literally suggested that children shouldn't be in a supermarket at all until age 12, and even then it was questionable. Despite what some people think, I will not allow my children to just do whatever they want and yes, if it's taking too long I will hurry them up - but I was (and am) arguing against the suggestion that my children, even when being perfectly behaved and simply taking a tiny bit longer (so yes, seconds) because they are children, shouldn't be doing that at all.

Fallingthroughclouds · 15/08/2023 17:26

takealettermsjones · 15/08/2023 16:01

Sorry to add to a derail but I'm laughing my arse off at "why should a child ever be in a supermarket" 😂😂

Why the hell shouldn't they?!

It's a public space and impatient people don't own it, no matter how much of a rush they're in!

My child will grab the bananas off the shelf all she wants, and if you're in a dire rush to get food to your dying relative or whatever nonsense whataboutery was given upthread, then feel free to grab the apples instead. Otherwise you can wait an extra two seconds, and may it teach you some patience! Likewise, lifting my child up so she can tap the card takes about two seconds. If waiting that long bothers you so much then maybe YOU should shop online.

Exactly. 2nd most idiotic comment I have read on MN.

LaTartine · 15/08/2023 17:23

LolaSmiles · 15/08/2023 17:18

It's hardly difficult to understand that if it's busy it's probably not the best time to have a small child toddling about while other people are busy doing their weekend shop
Don't go using common sense.
Next you'll be pointing out that most people who take their children shopping manage to do their errands and nobody bats an eyelid.

My general thought is that if as a parent you encounter some rolled eyes or impatience as one offs the person is probably being grumpy and a bit unreasonable, but if you find yourself regularly thinking adults in cafes/shops/hotels are so unreasonable then the common denominator is probably your parenting decisions/child's behaviour.

😂
So true
It's the children I actually feel sorry for, being dragged up into entitled adults who " don't give a shit"
Lovely

Brefugee · 15/08/2023 17:23

Elephantsdontlikechocolate · 15/08/2023 07:15

Isn't no children in the pool at certain times age discrimination. Vile either way.

i am alternately rolf and aghast at the sheer entitlement of this piffle

It is eminently sensible to have times when children are excluded. Not least because while most women would swim round them, maybe tut under their breath and possibly complain amongst themselves. Most men swimming laps would plough through them with nary a backward glance. Believe it or not, adults are allowed to have times when they aren't confronted with other people's offspring. (and i actually quite like children)

LolaSmiles · 15/08/2023 17:18

It's hardly difficult to understand that if it's busy it's probably not the best time to have a small child toddling about while other people are busy doing their weekend shop
Don't go using common sense.
Next you'll be pointing out that most people who take their children shopping manage to do their errands and nobody bats an eyelid.

My general thought is that if as a parent you encounter some rolled eyes or impatience as one offs the person is probably being grumpy and a bit unreasonable, but if you find yourself regularly thinking adults in cafes/shops/hotels are so unreasonable then the common denominator is probably your parenting decisions/child's behaviour.

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ZeroFuchsGiven · 15/08/2023 17:16

LolaSmiles · 15/08/2023 17:00

takealettermsjones
I let my children take things off the shelf for the trolley, when it's quiet. I don't when it's busy because I know that other people have things they want to be and if everyone takes the mass-participation event approach to shopping nobody gets anywhere.

The whole 'baaaahh I'm going to let my children dawdle on busy stairs because they need to learn steps. Everyone should wait for my child to peruse the fruit and decide what they want to pick. Anyone who finds themselves irritated that the queue is growing whilst I let my child plays shops on self-service or load the belt needs to stop viewing children as lesser/second class citizens/hating on children " thing is an outlook that self-absorbed parents have.

Meanwhile most parents have common sense and acknowledge their child isn't the only person in a shop/cafe/restaurant.

Very well said!

I honestly despair for the future sometimes after reading threads on here, I can completely understand why so many teachers are leaving the profession, they are not only having to teach academically but it seems they are now having to teach new cohorts basic manners and social skills on top of that as their parents are failing to do this.

HarrietJet · 15/08/2023 17:16

takealettermsjones · 15/08/2023 17:13

It's not difficult to understand that if you're impatient at having to wait an extra couple of seconds, you probably shouldn't shop at busy times.

I know what parenting is. I like to role model patience and tolerance to my children.

You've used the phrase "a couple of seconds" a few times now. You must realise people aren't talking about a literal couple of seconds?
So disingenuous...

Dixiechickonhols · 15/08/2023 17:16

DancingFerret · 15/08/2023 16:37

Those tunnels!😱.
Going OT for a moment, aged 14 and on a school cruise we were bussed en masse from Alexandria to visit the pyramids. Crawling in a line through the tunnels some pupils starting larking around so-much-so that we had to stop, meanwhile the pupils behind kept moving towards us, so that my group were trapped, unable to move and gasping for air. Many of us fainted and had to be carried out. Claustrophobia has been my constant and increasingly intrusive "companion" ever since.

Oh goodness. It looked claustrophobic on the photos.

takealettermsjones · 15/08/2023 17:13

LaTartine · 15/08/2023 17:07

It's hardly difficult to understand that if it's busy it's probably not the best time to have a small child toddling about while other people are busy doing their weekend shop.

It's called parenting to role model appropriate behaviour, self indulgent to allow your children to be in the way, unkind for the child who gets bashed or tripped over.

It's not difficult to understand that if you're impatient at having to wait an extra couple of seconds, you probably shouldn't shop at busy times.

I know what parenting is. I like to role model patience and tolerance to my children.

Brefugee · 15/08/2023 17:10

echt · 15/08/2023 01:24

Modern parents are helping What does that mean?

but I think with the rising elderly population and the Entitled Boomers, there is a prevailing “children should be seen and not heard” attitude that remains

So you think the response to the OP, pointing out her being unreasonable were all posted by the elderly?

Entitled Boomers What's that? A band?

sigh.
you know those old people now were the hippies, and the original 68ers, anti-authoritarian parents?

The thing is: if children are running around, screeching and being thoroughly brattish outside of soft play, you can bet i am going to a) judge their parents and b) complain.

OTOH i do love to see children playing, having fun, and interacting with the world, learning about social conventions etc etc etc

LaTartine · 15/08/2023 17:07

takealettermsjones · 15/08/2023 16:56

I didn't say anything was difficult. I know when the busy times are.

It's hardly difficult to understand that if it's busy it's probably not the best time to have a small child toddling about while other people are busy doing their weekend shop.

It's called parenting to role model appropriate behaviour, self indulgent to allow your children to be in the way, unkind for the child who gets bashed or tripped over.

LolaSmiles · 15/08/2023 17:00

takealettermsjones
I let my children take things off the shelf for the trolley, when it's quiet. I don't when it's busy because I know that other people have things they want to be and if everyone takes the mass-participation event approach to shopping nobody gets anywhere.

The whole 'baaaahh I'm going to let my children dawdle on busy stairs because they need to learn steps. Everyone should wait for my child to peruse the fruit and decide what they want to pick. Anyone who finds themselves irritated that the queue is growing whilst I let my child plays shops on self-service or load the belt needs to stop viewing children as lesser/second class citizens/hating on children " thing is an outlook that self-absorbed parents have.

Meanwhile most parents have common sense and acknowledge their child isn't the only person in a shop/cafe/restaurant.

takealettermsjones · 15/08/2023 16:56

LaTartine · 15/08/2023 16:52

It's not difficult
Friday evening or Saturday morning when it's really busy , lots of trolleys etc vs a weekday mid afternoon when it's likely to be quieter.

I didn't say anything was difficult. I know when the busy times are.

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