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Mummy289 · 30/07/2023 10:02

So I have had my licence 10 years never speed, tbh see it as dangerous and don’t want to risk other people’s lives. Never been pulled over nothing ever.
Yesterday driving along a motor way, go around a roundabout the motor way has no speed signs, stupidly go by the sat nav (it’s a motor way so just assumed 70mph).
See i have passed an average speed camera as I turn in which is fine as doing 70 or under, halfway down the road there is a bloody 40mph sign, so I have slowed down to 40mph (this is half way up the road). Anyway turns out the whole road is 40mph just no sign 🙄, I’m not going to fight it as I don’t want to make it worse, and it’s miles from where I live to get a picture would be a pain. I did check it as I left so I know there was no sign. The cameras are working at the temples speed limit of 40mph. So I was doing 70mph (prob just under half the way) then 40mph just under half way the rest. So assuming averagely doing 56mph-58mph.
Seems I’m looking at 4-6points or even disqualification 🤷🏼‍♀️. First offence is there any chance of a course? I’m gutted as I never speed and it was a new area and if there had been a sign I would have stuck to it. I’m assuming it fell over although even on google maps there is no signs 🤦🏼‍♀️. Which was 2 months ago although was road work signs. Too busy talking to the kids. I’m clearly not going to try and get out of it, just really worried about the consequence tbh.

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lineeyesqueen212 · 19/10/2025 08:25

Hey @Mummy289 did you end up getting a ticket? Going through same thing😅🤦🏽‍♀️

slithytoveisascientist · 11/08/2023 19:04

Op
Did you get a ticket?

mewkins · 31/07/2023 11:49

Shade17 · 31/07/2023 08:55

If they said that then they were very clearly wrong. What other BS did they tell you? I’d put in a complaint, if the idiots leading the course don’t know the rules then what hope have the attendees got?

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I agree. I've been on a speed awareness course and I clearly remember them saying that it doesn't have to be a metal barrier. The highway code confirms this.

Clickncollect · 31/07/2023 09:00

@Mummy289 sorry I haven’t read the thread in full but about 2 months ago I was caught by an average speed check doing 52mph in a 40mph area in Essex. It is my first speeding offence in 28 years of driving and I was offered the course, which I took. It was actually an interesting course and I learnt a lot!

Shade17 · 31/07/2023 08:55

bookworm44 · 30/07/2023 21:01

Nope not misunderstood. Very clearly said that a grass strip is not a physical barrier and speed limit would not be 70. Clearly even though they are driving instructors and paid to run these courses, you know better.

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If they said that then they were very clearly wrong. What other BS did they tell you? I’d put in a complaint, if the idiots leading the course don’t know the rules then what hope have the attendees got?

EnthENd · 30/07/2023 21:26

Tangent: "A road" says absolutely nothing about the speed limits. Road numbering is based on importance of the route in the local and wider area. There's A roads that are rural single tracks, suburban high streets, and near-motorway-standard dual carriageways.

Popworld · 30/07/2023 21:18

User14287559 · 30/07/2023 21:17

Were you there, how do you know there were all these other vehicles?

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I think she already said there wasn't any other vehicles due to the time she was travelling

User14287559 · 30/07/2023 21:17

Threecacti · 30/07/2023 20:54

It's quite probable the cameras weren't on and you won't hear anything.

I can't get over why you didn't notice, as a diligent driver who always sticks to the limit, that you were travelling at nearly double the speed of all the other vehicles? You must have gone from almost always being in the left land being overtaken to overtaking multiple vehicles?

Were you there, how do you know there were all these other vehicles?

Bromptotoo · 30/07/2023 21:16

bookworm44 · 30/07/2023 21:01

Nope not misunderstood. Very clearly said that a grass strip is not a physical barrier and speed limit would not be 70. Clearly even though they are driving instructors and paid to run these courses, you know better.

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Not a question of who knows better.

I'm just trying to find a definition that confirms it's not a dual carriageway without a crash barrier or similar on the reservation.

When I did a course a few years ago we were shown a four lane road with just lines separating. Not a DC; limit for cars 60.

Further down same road there was a properly constructed central grass verge. Dual carriageway; limit for cars 70.

Highway Code says - headnote to rules 137 on:

Dual carriageways

A dual carriageway is a road which has a central reservation to separate the carriageways.

Dreemhouse · 30/07/2023 21:14

Bloody hell, OP made a mistake, she knows she made a mistake and was simply asking for advice on what might happen. None of us are perfect drivers. I hope it all works out ok for you OP.

MereDintofPandiculation · 30/07/2023 21:01

CharlotteBog · 30/07/2023 20:48

I did my course 2 weeks ago, unless there's a proper physical barrier it is not 70

A grass verge counts as a physical barrier. It's 70

A physical barrier in the sense of could you roll a snooker ball from one side to the other. So a strip of grass would impede the ball and is a physical barrier, whereas an area of cross hatchings would impede the ball and isn’t counted as a barrier.

bookworm44 · 30/07/2023 21:01

Bromptotoo · 30/07/2023 20:57

Either they were or they were misunderstood.

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Nope not misunderstood. Very clearly said that a grass strip is not a physical barrier and speed limit would not be 70. Clearly even though they are driving instructors and paid to run these courses, you know better.

MereDintofPandiculation · 30/07/2023 20:58

KrisAkabusi · 30/07/2023 18:40

You passed a sign telling you the speed limit is 40mph. There is no need to keep putting up signs saying the same thing. Unless you saw another sign you should have assumed the 40mph limit was still in place. Which it was.

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There is. The basic rule is that if there are streetlights it’s 30, if not, then it’s NSL (60; or 70 on dual carriageways inc motorways). Anything else needs repeat signs.

Bromptotoo · 30/07/2023 20:57

bookworm44 · 30/07/2023 20:54

The 2 instructors running the course must have been wrong then.

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Either they were or they were misunderstood.

bookworm44 · 30/07/2023 20:54

CharlotteBog · 30/07/2023 20:48

I did my course 2 weeks ago, unless there's a proper physical barrier it is not 70

A grass verge counts as a physical barrier. It's 70

The 2 instructors running the course must have been wrong then.

Threecacti · 30/07/2023 20:54

It's quite probable the cameras weren't on and you won't hear anything.

I can't get over why you didn't notice, as a diligent driver who always sticks to the limit, that you were travelling at nearly double the speed of all the other vehicles? You must have gone from almost always being in the left land being overtaken to overtaking multiple vehicles?

CharlotteBog · 30/07/2023 20:48

I did my course 2 weeks ago, unless there's a proper physical barrier it is not 70

A grass verge counts as a physical barrier. It's 70

bookworm44 · 30/07/2023 20:24

Bromptotoo · 30/07/2023 16:34

A dual carriageway has a central reservation between the carriageways. If it's only grass then provided there's proper seperation it's a DC. Doesn't need barriers though I can see why it should.

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I did my course 2 weeks ago, unless there's a proper physical barrier it is not 70

User14287559 · 30/07/2023 19:09

Hopefully it will just be the course, if anything. As usual this thread is full of oh so perfect Mumsnetter drivers, so many of them here.

Popworld · 30/07/2023 19:06

@Mummy289 I did warn you. Lol

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Mummy289 · 30/07/2023 18:59

Also seems some people maybe perfect drivers but maybe not perfectly kind humans. I didn’t know there was such thing a perfect person but I’m mistaken. :)

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Mummy289 · 30/07/2023 18:57

@KrisAkabusi the sign was before the round about and the round about was before the road, one of 4 roads I could of been travelling down. So yea I don’t know there wasn’t a road a sign on the new road. 40mph could have been to any of the 4 roads. People who live near there have commented on the post and agreed it’s confusing. The other side as soon as you get off the roundabout has a sign saying 40mph. Yes I have made a mistake but really didn’t see how the sign before the roundabout was to say the next road I would be taking would be that speed. Clearly it’s the first time I have seen something like this, esp on a dual carriage lane.
Im really glad there are so many perfect drivers, in 11 years I have made one mistrials which is clearly going to cost me greatly. The fact that I noticed and realised what I have done before a ticket has come through means something. Yea I’m not perfect like many of you, however I doubt I’m the only one, I have also said it’s my fault.

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Un7breakable · 30/07/2023 18:43

If this was recently I'd go back with someone as a passenger recording your view, showing that signs are missing.

KrisAkabusi · 30/07/2023 18:40

Mummy289 · 30/07/2023 16:48

@zippitydoda there def isn’t a sign as you go onto the road but there is before the roundabout which I was stupid for as already doing that speed just expected a new sign at the beginning of the road but they apparently don’t need to do that. 🤦🏼‍♀️. Honestly my anxiety is so high.

You passed a sign telling you the speed limit is 40mph. There is no need to keep putting up signs saying the same thing. Unless you saw another sign you should have assumed the 40mph limit was still in place. Which it was.

Harrypewter · 30/07/2023 17:51

WaxhamSeals · 30/07/2023 10:09

Which motorway has roundabouts?

😂😂
The op clearly shouldn't be driving. Deary me.

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