So many E-scooter deaths..

Even having sensors like cars do for collision warnings that limited speed would be helpful from the current state of them

If ones for children were limited to 8mph or 4mph or something

And adults say 15mph with a requirement for high visibility clothing with a helmet and automatic confiscation if this wasn't followed they could be managed and perhaps allowing them in cycle lanes (with suitable safety measures like high vis lights and helmet)

Realistically there's no safe place you can drive them (pavements and paths) going over those speeds and even then it's hairy sometimes but why have things able to go at 50mph when you can never drive them on a road with cars at that speed

To go the distances necessary for those speeds you wouldn't use a scooter- who travels 50 miles away on one - ever?

I don't think a theory test would make any significant difference as so many riders are completely ignoring the law in the first place.

I would like to see e-scooters and e-bikes fit in the mix of transport options, but in an way that makes the users accountable and the laws capable of being enforced.

It's currently chaos, with the existing legislation ignored by everyone including the police. That's why we now have illegal e-bikes capable of > 60 MPH being ridden by children.

That's disappointing, though I guess I should have known better - so maybe tthe ban on sales you mentioned would work better?

I can just hear Halfords et all though; "You're going to cost thousands of jobs!!!"

I believe you get points if you are just caught on an illegal scooter, you don’t even have to drive it dangerously. But the police don’t have time to enforce and I suspect most riders don’t have a car license so don’t care.

Widely reported locally. Don’t think it made national news.

Well actually potentially 22 deaths per year going on last years stats. We could do both you know, look at improving road safety inc cars and e scooters. It’s not a binary option

Whilst they are technically illegal, they cannot introduce rules. if they do legalise them, they could say that helmets have to be worn, must only go on roads, high viz clothing and no scooter capable of going more than 20kmh.

More people are going to be killed by cars because there are many more of them. It's not an either or. The tragedy is that many of the people killed or injured on scooters are young and inexperienced on the roads and don't understand the need to wear visible clothing. We need education and legislation.

I don’t see many motorbikes being ridden at speed through a pedestrianised area, along pavement, the wrong way down one way streets, with no lights on etc.

I do. There are hundreds of illegal e-bikes in my city, the ones which have been jailbroken to evade the maximum speed limit on an e-bike and look more like motorbikes than cycles. No lights, dark clothing, riding on pavements, on the road, in and out of traffic. Riders with hoods pulled down, bandana on face pulled up. And with a Just Eat or Deliveroo backpack on.

Ok then.....

Cars are the biggest killers by far. Of course there are people riding illegal scooters and high powered electric bikes. But, just as with cars being driven dangerously, that is all about our failure to enforce existing laws. We do not need new laws

.... which i acknowledged, if you read my post properly? still 36 deaths over 4 years.....

Can you link the local press on these deaths that happened in your area? must be quite easy as very recent.

Apparently, if you get caught dangerous driving on a scooter, you can get points on your
regular car licence.

A teenager died locally to where I live a few weeks ago. Tragic loss of a young life.

So just on mumnets survey, that’s at least three.

No the figure is a Govt one, given to some commons committee, stats are stats & deaths, however they happen, are recorded.

Casualty data – fatalities
Since 2019, PACTS is aware of a total of thirty-four deaths involving e-scooters, one in 2019, three in 2020, thirteen in 2021, fourteen in 2022 and three in 2023 (to early July). A register is available here (latest edition 10 July 2023)

Even if these deaths you refer too happened in late July, that makes a total of 36 deaths in 4 years, a tragedy for those involved but nothing compared to the almost 8000 deaths and 100,000 serious injuries caused by cars.

Sense of perspective needed?

No mode of transport is completely safe, but finding different ways to get around cities that doesn't include private cars is a good thing

Very unlucky as there has only been 3 deaths this year in the whole of the UK... compared to approx 1000 deaths from cars etc.

I think you'd have a heart attack if you went to Mallorca, there we saw kids hurtling around on e scooters, at night, no lights, busy roads...