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All old people should sell up family homes for families.

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benigogo · 27/07/2023 13:13

Not really an AIBU, more a hypothetical question really. This view comes up a lot on MN, and I'm interested in the detail of what people actually imagine when they say it. What type of property should they be giving up? What type of property should they be moving to? How old is old? What about younger people who under occupy a property? For example 2 friend couples, have recently downsized. Both from a 4 bed detached, one to a 4 bed semi, and the other to a 3 bed semi. Their homes were bought, one by a young professional couple, and the other by a couple in their seventies, themselves downsizing. If you hold this view what do you visualise?

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AuntieJune · 27/07/2023 20:18

I think there should be more openness about ageing and being proactive in preparation for it. Starting in your 30s and 40s with good diet and exercise, keeping on right through life.

I don't think older people should be forced from their homes but there should be availability of decent smaller homes with better accessibility etc if people want it.

And there should be more of a culture of considering future needs through life - so at some point living somewhere where you're dependent on driving might be impractical, or somewhere with very steep stairs.

The very worst thing is to stay in a house until it becomes unmanageable due to illness or inability to keep up with housework etc, then be forced to sell and downsize. It's much better if there's a positive choice and ability to build a new life and community in the new place.

AuntieJune · 27/07/2023 20:13

JudgeJ · 27/07/2023 20:07

You forget that they have also single handedly invented pregnancy, childbirth and being a parent, hence they're the fount of all knowledge, it's what makes them so amusing, bless their little cotton socks!

Yet you're here..

DPotter · 27/07/2023 20:12

I sort of agree with OP.

There are many elderly frail people living in housing that is totally impractical for their needs, eg they can't manage the stairs, no loo downstairs, requires a lot of maintenance they can't afford etc.

However - where do these frail elderly go ? There are simply not the smaller housing units available. Where I live the last few bungalows have been adapted into 2 storey houses, and whilst there are some retirement apartments there aren't many and they are expensive to both buy and to pay the service charges.

We need a wider range of housing options available to suit the different stages of life, and alongside we need a more streamlined housing buying and selling system. The current one is clumbersome, stressful and adds cost to the already costly endeavour of moving home.

Wiccan · 27/07/2023 20:12

JudgeJ · 27/07/2023 20:09

Newsflash deary, not everyone wants to live in a grey-haired commune, we are quite content being on our own.

🤣🤣🤣🤣 I agree , and wouldn't that just be a care home ?

JudgeJ · 27/07/2023 20:09

Remotecontrolatmyside · 27/07/2023 20:07

I think more elderly people should live together so they can support each other and give each other company. Life is easier when you have a community. This would have the added bonus of sharing bills so would be cheaper and would also free up homes so less house building would be needed so we'd all have more green spaces.

Newsflash deary, not everyone wants to live in a grey-haired commune, we are quite content being on our own.

JudgeJ · 27/07/2023 20:07

ImNotReallySpartacus · 27/07/2023 18:09

Mumsnet is skewed towards parents, a vocal minority of whom think that having children is intrinsically meritorious and that someone who has reproduced gains some sort of moral priority over those who have not.

You forget that they have also single handedly invented pregnancy, childbirth and being a parent, hence they're the fount of all knowledge, it's what makes them so amusing, bless their little cotton socks!

Remotecontrolatmyside · 27/07/2023 20:07

I think more elderly people should live together so they can support each other and give each other company. Life is easier when you have a community. This would have the added bonus of sharing bills so would be cheaper and would also free up homes so less house building would be needed so we'd all have more green spaces.

Oliotya · 27/07/2023 20:05

Wintercomesoon · 27/07/2023 19:11

Nobody needs more than one child but I bet you would like to retain your right to have more than one. Why does that right not extend to people who want to own more than one house.

That's an absurd comparison. Me having multiple children doesn't prevent anyone else having children. Whereas if I have 2 houses, nobody else can buy those houses. Stupid.

Wiccan · 27/07/2023 20:05

I think my mother would have gone down hill fast if she didn't keep her independence and been moved away from her home and everything she recognised .

gotmychristmasmiracle · 27/07/2023 20:03

I've just moved onto a small estate of 30 houses. All the 5 bedroom houses are occupied by retired couples 🤔

Waferbiscuit · 27/07/2023 19:58

Agree that it's not something that can be imposed. My parents are in a large terrace in London with 4 floors, two they don't even use but the thought of moving is so overwhelming. As you get older your world get smaller and it's very hard to imagine life elsewhere.

Slightly in the same vein I have always thought that older people are probably best moving from rural communities to towns and cities where they are closer to amenities - shops, doctors and hospitals and are also closer if there is an emergency.

Where I am the villages are filled with very old people and i imagine it's a bit isolated there. But also they have to drive everywhere to access anything and im not sure it's super safe to have lots of 90 year olds driving about on weaving country roads - as ageist as that sounds! (This is my mom and her driving terrifies me!)

Doihavetogotoworkdotcom1 · 27/07/2023 19:55

Ridiculous
people have a right to stay in their homes.

Wiccan · 27/07/2023 19:51

Racingrabbit · 27/07/2023 19:48

A responsible adult doesn't have children until they can offer a secure, loving and financially stable home.

Yes, circumstances change. I am talking about those that create the situation knowing they can not provide for their child/children and have no intention of doing so. Yet expect everyone else to be responsible for their irresponsibility.

This^

Racingrabbit · 27/07/2023 19:48

A responsible adult doesn't have children until they can offer a secure, loving and financially stable home.

Yes, circumstances change. I am talking about those that create the situation knowing they can not provide for their child/children and have no intention of doing so. Yet expect everyone else to be responsible for their irresponsibility.

Ingrowncrotchhair · 27/07/2023 19:45

OsirisservesAnubis · 27/07/2023 19:41

That is not home owners problem to solve. We need to build more suitable housing.

I completely agree. Yours is a good argument.

nana had 6 beds and that’s what allowed me to see my cousins and make memories is not a good argument

Wiccan · 27/07/2023 19:41

Wiccan · 27/07/2023 19:39

Yeah I will. not a problem .

While sitting in my giant house with lots of rooms I don't need 🙂

OsirisservesAnubis · 27/07/2023 19:41

Ingrowncrotchhair · 27/07/2023 19:40

And where do you suggest families with young children make memories? As they are piled on top of each other in their tiny flats? With no space to play, or privacy?

you should’ve asked your parents to see your aunts and uncles more often. Also - you can make memories once a year in a park or something.

give me strength

That is not home owners problem to solve. We need to build more suitable housing.

watersprites · 27/07/2023 19:40

I guess you do that a lot 😆

Ingrowncrotchhair · 27/07/2023 19:40

escapingthecity · 27/07/2023 13:56

What about those family homes where different generations can gather together for Christmas and celebrations? One of my grannies had a massive house (I think there were 6 bedrooms) and having big gatherings with my cousins at Christmas was such a special part of our childhood. We couldn't afford many holidays so we used to go and stay with her because she had the space. When she had to move into a much smaller 3 bed house we saw a lot less of our cousins. Force all older people to leave their 4 bedroom family homes and where do those family memories get made?

And where do you suggest families with young children make memories? As they are piled on top of each other in their tiny flats? With no space to play, or privacy?

you should’ve asked your parents to see your aunts and uncles more often. Also - you can make memories once a year in a park or something.

give me strength

Wiccan · 27/07/2023 19:39

watersprites · 27/07/2023 19:37

keep telling yourself that

Yeah I will. not a problem .

watersprites · 27/07/2023 19:37

keep telling yourself that

Wiccan · 27/07/2023 19:33

watersprites · 27/07/2023 18:54

Well the birth rate hasn't dropped around here

ffs, we are talking statistically!!

This was said to me by a women who has 7 , yes 7 kids !.

Oh in that case yes extrapolate that rare scenario to the entire generation.

It's so depressing how thick some people are.

Not thick at all thank you . I had the intelligence to not have more than I could afford .

watersprites · 27/07/2023 19:29

Surely you have a better argument than comparing dc to houses? 🤣

Wintercomesoon · 27/07/2023 19:11

Oliotya · 27/07/2023 18:23

Yes. Nobody needs more than 1 house.

Nobody needs more than one child but I bet you would like to retain your right to have more than one. Why does that right not extend to people who want to own more than one house.

Rocknrollstar · 27/07/2023 18:55

In our area two bedroom flats with a balcony cost more than we would get for our five bedroom house so we are staying put

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