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All old people should sell up family homes for families.

712 replies

benigogo · 27/07/2023 13:13

Not really an AIBU, more a hypothetical question really. This view comes up a lot on MN, and I'm interested in the detail of what people actually imagine when they say it. What type of property should they be giving up? What type of property should they be moving to? How old is old? What about younger people who under occupy a property? For example 2 friend couples, have recently downsized. Both from a 4 bed detached, one to a 4 bed semi, and the other to a 3 bed semi. Their homes were bought, one by a young professional couple, and the other by a couple in their seventies, themselves downsizing. If you hold this view what do you visualise?

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watersprites · 27/07/2023 21:37

@Wiccan please stop stalking me!

watersprites · 27/07/2023 21:37

There is definitely a want it and want it now, no willingness to graft or compromise because the self entitled generation want what their parents had - now

How many of your peers bought a 3 bed house when they started & went on to have 4 dc?

My parents first home was also a three bed, they were late 20s, they moved a few yrs later as they wanted more space. That starter home now costs 1.2m.

changeyerheadworzel · 27/07/2023 21:36

Mum2jenny · 27/07/2023 21:22

I’ve got a house which will suffice until I die, but it has more bedrooms than I need, and it’s mine and will stay that way. No intention to sell and downsize here.

Proper and right, you bought it, you paid for it, you own it.

Wiccan · 27/07/2023 21:35

watersprites · 27/07/2023 21:19

Stalk someone else plenty of posters have had plenty more to say on the subject than I have !

If you don't want people to laugh at your posts then maybe a public forum is not for you...

I've responded to plenty of posts but tbf no one else has come out with a gem quite as ridiculous as

"The haves used to be the have nots they worked for it"

Where are you having trouble?.
I started with very little didn't have kids until we had our own home the plan was it would be our only home now have no mortgage it's ours and we are not shifting! I was quoting another poster who stated Have and have nots . OK

uneffingbelievable · 27/07/2023 21:33

What a vile series of posts and a very sad thread.
Old people are the cause of the housing crisis, they should be stopped from driving, use ED too much etc etc

No one is going to dictate to me what I can buy and how many rooms or location when i get to that age.

My parents bought a 3 bed house when they started with a mortgage - had 4 kids. We all had to share, the concept of kids sharing now a days seems alien. When I was about 14, they moved to a bigger house and we all got our own rooms - they moved when they could afford to move.

I flat shared till I was 30 and saved hard to buy my first 2 bed place and rented out the other room to a friend.

There is definitely a want it and want it now, no willingness to graft or compromise because the self entitled generation want what their parents had - now

Mum2jenny · 27/07/2023 21:22

I’ve got a house which will suffice until I die, but it has more bedrooms than I need, and it’s mine and will stay that way. No intention to sell and downsize here.

Bouledeneige · 27/07/2023 21:19

I worked with older people for a long time and I know that many got trapped in a home that was not adapted to their needs, inaccessible and difficult to maintain. By the time it had hit a bit too much they could not face the process of selling and moving - which is stressful for most of us at the best of times. I've seen too many people in a hospital bed I. Their living room unable to get upstairs or access a bathroom.

In reality order people can be encouraged to move earlier if there is suitable adapted housing and with help to downsize, dispose of unwanted furniture, manage a sale and move. My own parents did it having seen their parents struggle in homes no longer suited to them - they went to a flat in a communal facility and it worked terribly well for many many years.

watersprites · 27/07/2023 21:19

Stalk someone else plenty of posters have had plenty more to say on the subject than I have !

If you don't want people to laugh at your posts then maybe a public forum is not for you...

I've responded to plenty of posts but tbf no one else has come out with a gem quite as ridiculous as

"The haves used to be the have nots they worked for it"

watersprites · 27/07/2023 21:16

It's illogical, I mean we don't bash pensioners who didn't save for their own pension & rely on pension credit @workistoomuch

Wiccan · 27/07/2023 21:16

watersprites · 27/07/2023 21:07

The haves used to be the have nots they worked for it .

🤣🤣

Stalk someone else plenty of posters have had plenty more to say on the subject than I have !

workistoomuch · 27/07/2023 21:14

Wiccan · 27/07/2023 20:43

The haves used to be the have nots they worked for it .

People are working very hard to pay extortionate rents yet will never have the same right to stable housing. I dont understand such skewed and biased opinions between what different generations should have the right to.

workistoomuch · 27/07/2023 21:12

OMG12 · 27/07/2023 20:39

Because quite frankly, it would probably finish most old people off, it walkouts cost significant amounts of money for the old person to move, they are often reliant on a support network. Memories are often failing, would you be happy forcing someone with Alzheimer’s out of their home? Someone who had it adapted.

Why are people having kids when their housing isn’t stable? The rules governing the rental market are nothing to do with old people staying in their homes.

What do you think would happen to the more affordable housing stock?

why are you so jealous of people with assets that you wish them serious harm?

I'm not jealous, I don't think we should kick anyone out of their homes. I just find the differing standards baffling.

watersprites · 27/07/2023 21:07

The haves used to be the have nots they worked for it .

🤣🤣

changeyerheadworzel · 27/07/2023 21:02

If you own your own house, no matter how big it is, it is yours, you have paid for it.
If you do not own your own home but have been given a house when your kids were young and now they are all gone and you are rambling around in a big house where 3 of the rooms are being unused then that is different, you should be provided with a smaller place that suits your needs. I can understand people's frustration at older people in huge houses that still live there alone when there are huge families being squashed into inadequate housing.

The problem is there are no smaller places available for the elderly people to go and even if there are, they refuse to leave the house they brought their kids up in even though they don't own it.

Is it fair an elderly widow is in a 4 bedroom council house on her own while there are families that needs them and have been on the list for years? No. But where do you put her?

But if you have paid for your home and bought it outright, your name is on the deeds then it is yours whether you have 20 rooms or not. End of.

lotsofdogshere · 27/07/2023 20:54

OMG12 · 27/07/2023 20:26

Seriously, you want old people to move out their homes and share a house with strangers?? fucking hell!!! You know even old people are allowed their privacy

I’m 74, my husband died suddenly last year. We were part of a group of about 20 friends who agreed 25 years ago to explore co-housing. It was a great project and concluded with people deciding inheritance, living near adult children and near established friendship groups was important. Most of us are in/around Greater Manchester so access to museums, galleries, theatre and excellent hospitals. I’m north Manchester, fabulous moorland and open countryside.

we have lived in this 4bed semi for 32 years, we future proofed it once we decided to stay, downstairs shower etc, if the stairs become problematic. When my husband unexpectedly became very ill, being in this familiar home helped. Our adult children and grandchildren feel close to him when they’re here. I’ve a room for hobbies and enough space for my dogs.

The assumption that you know more about our needs is making me smile Remotecontrol.

JudgeJ · 27/07/2023 20:54

OMG12 · 27/07/2023 20:29

Some of the posts on here are only just this side of side of Logan’s Run! It’s horrendous.

Or maybe Groundhog Day!

JudgeJ · 27/07/2023 20:53

AuntieJune · 27/07/2023 20:13

Yet you're here..

My point exactly, despite all the garbage trotted out on this site which must scare the hell out of people having a first baby, there is nothing new in any of it.

Appleofmyeye2023 · 27/07/2023 20:49

Bowlplatesoupandroll · 27/07/2023 13:41

It's up to the individual to decide.
Personally I plan to downsize from my 4 bed semi to a 2 bed flat/bungalow once dc leave because I'm a single, disabled parent who can't work so rely on an ill health pension and benefits (which will be minimal once dc leave home). I don't want to be a burden (physically or mentally) to my children and therefore will buy something that is easy to maintain. I currently only live downstairs so when dc leave I'll have 3 bedrooms and a bathroom unused. So financially and physically it makes sense for me to do so but I wouldn't judge others.
When I worked in community care there were many elderly people who struggled to physically and financially look after their large family homes I don't want to end up like that. So will do it in my 50s while I'm still able.

And this is why , when old people get to it, the idea of downsizing doesn’t materialise

im just past 60. Divorced 2 years ago, and took opportunity to “ downsize” to a home suitable as my” carry me out in a box” home. I needed a house that had a downstairs bedroom and bathroom, even if I didn’t use it yet.

🤣🤣🤣🤷🏼‍♀️
has anyone here actually tried to buy a bungalow or dormer bungalow…they’re as rare as hens teeth, cost a fecking fortune compared to same size house with 2 or 3 floors. Trying to find a bungalow built in last 20 years to modern building regs is like finding a needle in a haystack- no builder wants to build them voluntarily as they take up too much land.
And when you do find one you find it’s be n extended into a family home with dormers and extensions

so, my downsizing ended up costing me a overplayed fortune, yep I got my downstairs bathroom and bedroom, but I’ve got 4 flipping bedrooms with 2 of them being very small doubles or big singles - which are downstairs ones 🤷🏼‍♀️🤦‍♀️. If I need to move downstairs I’ll have to knock them through and loose my hobby space

so , to most people I’m still occupying an overly big “ family home”. I’d have gladly bought something a tadge smaller and certainly would have preferred a proper bungalow , but that wasn’t possible. I spent a fortune on buying, had to spend a fortune on fixing stuff cos it’s a crap 1960 build and it been nothing but stressful and miserable. I can’t afford to move ( retired and divorced) so I’m stuck here now.

so downsizing all sounds nice and sensible and easy. In practice it’s heartbreaking, and incredibly difficult.

I’ve got a friend who’s be n waiting 2 years now to find her downsized home - she can’t afford any of them , they’re all more expensive than her current family home.

Wiccan · 27/07/2023 20:43

workistoomuch · 27/07/2023 20:28

I don't really understand why we as a society seem to be so much more outraged about the thought of forcing older people out of their homes than young families out of their rented homes with just two months notice. Why the difference between generations, or the haves and have not?

The haves used to be the have nots they worked for it .

OMG12 · 27/07/2023 20:39

workistoomuch · 27/07/2023 20:28

I don't really understand why we as a society seem to be so much more outraged about the thought of forcing older people out of their homes than young families out of their rented homes with just two months notice. Why the difference between generations, or the haves and have not?

Because quite frankly, it would probably finish most old people off, it walkouts cost significant amounts of money for the old person to move, they are often reliant on a support network. Memories are often failing, would you be happy forcing someone with Alzheimer’s out of their home? Someone who had it adapted.

Why are people having kids when their housing isn’t stable? The rules governing the rental market are nothing to do with old people staying in their homes.

What do you think would happen to the more affordable housing stock?

why are you so jealous of people with assets that you wish them serious harm?

Wiccan · 27/07/2023 20:35

OMG12 · 27/07/2023 20:29

Some of the posts on here are only just this side of side of Logan’s Run! It’s horrendous.

Brilliant 🤣

OMG12 · 27/07/2023 20:29

Some of the posts on here are only just this side of side of Logan’s Run! It’s horrendous.

workistoomuch · 27/07/2023 20:28

I don't really understand why we as a society seem to be so much more outraged about the thought of forcing older people out of their homes than young families out of their rented homes with just two months notice. Why the difference between generations, or the haves and have not?

OMG12 · 27/07/2023 20:26

Remotecontrolatmyside · 27/07/2023 20:07

I think more elderly people should live together so they can support each other and give each other company. Life is easier when you have a community. This would have the added bonus of sharing bills so would be cheaper and would also free up homes so less house building would be needed so we'd all have more green spaces.

Seriously, you want old people to move out their homes and share a house with strangers?? fucking hell!!! You know even old people are allowed their privacy

Cosyblankets · 27/07/2023 20:23

Two of us live in a 4 bed detached.
I'm going nowhere
I've paid for it.
We're in our 50s.
We will move when we want to move. If we don't want to then we won't.
What we choose to do is our business