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Will DH ever change? How can I get through to him?

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NewMomma21 · 23/07/2023 20:14

Looking for advice.

Married to DH for 4 years. We have an 18 month old and I’m almost 30 weeks pregnant. DH has a stressful job; he earns a very good salary and works long hours and travels abroad frequently. He is a good provider and great fun socially.

I would have considered myself happily married but recently I am becoming increasingly resentful of DH. Although he provides financially he does nothing to keep the house running. He doesn’t ever put a wash on. He lets the bins run to overflowing. He does absolutely no cleaning or cooking and frequently will leave a mess behind him whenever he is in the house. Often leaves clothes/towels on the floor. I have to ask multiple, multiple times over the course of days to do things I am physically unable to do (for example lifting heavy loads of washing, emptying bins, quick tidy of the garden). I am left to do everything around the house. Although I work FT I am off for the summer, it doesn’t matter if I’m in work or not he still contributes nothing. On the weekends he often plays golf for one day. On the days he is home and off when LO naps he more or often than not gets into bed for two hours for a nap or scroll on his phone. This is time during the day I use to do a tidy, load of washing, hoover etc.

Recently he was away for over a week (longest trip since covid) and it was just me and LO. Life was much easier. There was no mess to clean up. The house was clean and tidy. No picking up his clothes and litter. I found the extent to which it was easier shocking.

I have tried so many times to ask him for help. Begged. Nagged. Gotten angry, gotten upset. Nothing ever gets through to him. He just doesn’t seem to care. I feel increasingly like I am mother to a toddler and messy, selfish teenager.

Has anyone any advice? I don’t know how else to get through to him

YABU- he contributes financially and he is unlikely to ever change
YANBU- he needs to start pulling his weight

OP posts:
Noicant · 24/07/2023 07:12

If you aren’t planning to leave (and even if you are) then outsource everything, the laundry, get the cleaner in every day if you need to, book a childminder, get a gardener in.

If he says anything you just say well you don’t want to do it so we are paying someone to do your share.

DisquietintheRanks · 24/07/2023 06:21

Fwiw though I think outsourcing is a perfectly valid option if you can afford it. If the OP was wanting to do it no one would be saying no that's lazy.

DisquietintheRanks · 24/07/2023 06:19

Mirabai · 23/07/2023 22:31

Why should OP have to fork out because her DH is lazy? This is such a dereliction of basic principles of partnership. It’s not something that can be fixed by throwing money at it.

She doesn't, she can leave. There are costs associated with being a single parent too though.

What there isn't is a future where her husband stops being messy and helps out without constant reminders.

Outsourcing, put up or leave are the 3 choices here.

Somewhereovertherainbowweighapie · 24/07/2023 06:05

ForestGoblin · 23/07/2023 22:36

Why would I leave??? We love it. I just think tidy people need to realise they aren't "normal" while messy people are bad or lazy or weird. I think it's weird to clean the shower when you could be having fun. No one will lie on their death bed goin"if only I'd paired more socks :( :( :("

I was talking to the op.
But you are right you don’t want to be on your deathbed thinking about how you spent your life cleaning up after someone else.
Which is why she should leave.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 24/07/2023 00:05

ForestGoblin · 23/07/2023 22:38

That's what playpens are for!

My mother was neglectful, too.

Once I was too big to be in a cot, it was my fault if I sliced my foot open on something on the floor, fell through glass or in other ways got hurt or sick as a result of her liking the house how it was. Made sense later on when we realised she literally nearly killed my older sister because she had horrendous asthma as a result of animal and dust allergies, but always recovered quickly in hospital (well, other than the time her lung collapsed, anyhow), only to relapse the moment she was discharged. It was incredibly offensive in my other's opinion to be told that she needed to clean the house when she'd far rather be watching TV.

MaryJanesonabreak · 23/07/2023 23:31

My sister had one of these creatures, pleasant enough but a total slob. I kid you not when he made himself coffee, the counter would be awash with water, spilt milk, sugar and coffee grounds. Then he would not hold the cup totally upright so it would dribble out of the cup all the way to his office!
Her conditions to marrying him was that he was to bring a full time housekeeper with him. And all through their marriage, even when things were very tight, the housekeeper remained.
He lives on his own now, sadly she died, and his flat is a health hazard, his daughter books herself a hotel room when she visits.

Nat6999 · 23/07/2023 23:15

Start building up your own savings, at least enough to put a deposit & rent advance if you were to leave him & furnish your home. I had a lazy husband, I was working to keep us as he had to finish work due to ill health, I would come home to rows of ds dirty bottles on the worktop, he couldn't even be bothered to wash them & drop them in the steriliser let alone think about making up enough bottles for the rest of the day, he never put a wash on in the whole nine years of our relationship, like you I would find him in bed when I came home from work but he would be watching porn. I was tearing myself in two trying to work, do school runs, look after our home, cook, shop & clean while he sat all day on his idle backside. The first day I was in my own home as a single parent it was lovely to know I would arrive home & everything was as I had left it & nobody else's filth & rubbish to clear up after.

NoSquirrels · 23/07/2023 22:56

ForestGoblin · 23/07/2023 22:31

No, some people really can't stand tidying. What i meant is he needs to recognise the impact of his choices are and either offer solutions or agree to split.

Pfft. I “hate tidying” but it’s not like it’s a phobia. I’m not excused because I “hate it”.

I don’t agree it’s generally a split up/live alone issue for most adults. It’s a learn to be a bit more considerate issue.

You’re clearly lucky your life partner shares your standards exactly. But for most adult partnerships there’s one person a bit more bothered than the other - and that’s where compromise is needed.

I honestly do not believe there are any adults who ‘don’t see mess’. There are plenty who see ‘mess that is not at a threshold I care about’ though.

NoSquirrels · 23/07/2023 22:48

My mum told me you should marry a man whose faults you can bear. I think this is good advice. OP, maybe you can bear this fault. Or maybe you can't. If you can't then you need to have one more serious conversation with him to tell him his attitude might be ok in his world, but it will result in him being divorced.

I too think this is good advice.

If he really can’t see that he has to change - even a little - then it would be the lack of compromise and consideration that would eventually spell the end for me.

In the meantime, given you’re heavily pregnant, for now just bag up anything he leaves on the floor in a black bag. He can sort his own laundry by hook or by crook. Leave him alone with the toddler much more. Increase the cleaning lady’s hours.

Pallisers · 23/07/2023 22:42

ForestGoblin · 23/07/2023 22:36

Why would I leave??? We love it. I just think tidy people need to realise they aren't "normal" while messy people are bad or lazy or weird. I think it's weird to clean the shower when you could be having fun. No one will lie on their death bed goin"if only I'd paired more socks :( :( :("

So does your rubbish go out every week? Or is it overflowing the bins attracting rats? Do the neighbours complain? Do you have mice in your house because you have left out food for weeks? Do you find scummy water in the bath when you want to have one?

If not, then how you live has nothing to do with what would happen to OP if she stopped doing the adult stuff in the house. You don't have to polish the brasses but there are a minimum of things you need to do to live without infection. And I suspect you do all those things - plus you married someone who thinks the same way as you.

SouthLondonMum22 · 23/07/2023 22:41

ForestGoblin · 23/07/2023 22:33

OP - it isn't "lazy". People who hate tidying REALLY hate it. Get no satisfaction from it. Wouldn't care if it didn't happen. It is a total imposition to expect it.

It is absolutely lazy to expect others to clean up your mess. It's basic consideration to at least pick up after yourself.

Acornsoup · 23/07/2023 22:38

You see, we don't have to learn anything. We can walk away if we don't like it. And plenty do.

ForestGoblin · 23/07/2023 22:38

endofthelinefinally · 23/07/2023 22:37

I suppose if you have no children it is your choice to live in a tip, but it is dangerous if you have a toddler or a crawling baby.

That's what playpens are for!

ReachForTheMars · 23/07/2023 22:38

Like another poster pointed out, is it the extra work you do or the being a team point? In the short term money fixes it so get him to lay out more and ease the burden.

It's a fact that people can and do pay to make life easier. Shit for you, because he can opt out of doing a fair share.

You cant make his values mirror yours, but it appears he can, and is willing, to pay for you all.to have an easier life.

How you feel.about that lifestyle and whether you break up over it, fight, argue or roll with it is up to you.

endofthelinefinally · 23/07/2023 22:37

I suppose if you have no children it is your choice to live in a tip, but it is dangerous if you have a toddler or a crawling baby.

ForestGoblin · 23/07/2023 22:37

Acornsoup · 23/07/2023 22:36

@ForestGoblin

😆 What about people who hate picking up after grown men and REALLY hate it? Get no satisfaction from it. Wouldn't care if it didn't happen. It is a total imposition to expect it.

If you want things tidy, you gotta tidy them (or learn to be less into tidyness).

Pallisers · 23/07/2023 22:37

OP - it isn't "lazy". People who hate tidying REALLY hate it. Get no satisfaction from it. Wouldn't care if it didn't happen. It is a total imposition to expect it.

This isn't about "tidying" Have you read the OP's posts?

of course it is lazy to not put the rubbish out and let it spill out over the bins. Of course it is lazy to not drain a bath after you use it.

Come on - we are not talking about deep-cleaning the house here. Just normal stuff that adults do to live in the world. Of course it is lazy. And living in a way that leads to vermin. Do people really think putting out the rubbish and cleaning away food and emptying water is "tidying"

Acornsoup · 23/07/2023 22:36

@ForestGoblin

😆 What about people who hate picking up after grown men and REALLY hate it? Get no satisfaction from it. Wouldn't care if it didn't happen. It is a total imposition to expect it.

ForestGoblin · 23/07/2023 22:36

Somewhereovertherainbowweighapie · 23/07/2023 22:33

This is who you are married too. It won’t change. Either put up with it, or leave.

Why would I leave??? We love it. I just think tidy people need to realise they aren't "normal" while messy people are bad or lazy or weird. I think it's weird to clean the shower when you could be having fun. No one will lie on their death bed goin"if only I'd paired more socks :( :( :("

Motnight · 23/07/2023 22:34

Dillydollydingdong · 23/07/2023 20:26

It's so difficult with a lazy man like this. Obviously his DM didn't do her job. Can't you go away for a few days and leave him to it? If the place is a mess when you get back, tell him to get cleaners in.

Always a woman's fault 🙄

endofthelinefinally · 23/07/2023 22:34

For now, I would outsource everything that he will pay for. You are exhausted and pregnant. Just deal with the immediate situation before you get really ill.
Once you have had a chance to get some rest and reduce your workload you can think about what you want to do in the long term.

Somewhereovertherainbowweighapie · 23/07/2023 22:33

ForestGoblin · 23/07/2023 20:23

I'm a woman. I hate house stuff. I don't do it unless absolutely forced. My husband is the same, happily, and we are very content in mess. (Had a few embarrassing incidents with visitors going into our extra chaos hiding room but we laugh about it otherwise).

I couldn't bear living with you, op, because tidying is just awful. I feel the person who wants it clean has to do it if the other person doesn't mind mess.

But I didn't marry someone who loves tidiness so I can fortunately please myself.

I think you'll have to learn to live with it or find someone else.

This is who you are married too. It won’t change. Either put up with it, or leave.

ForestGoblin · 23/07/2023 22:33

NewMomma21 · 23/07/2023 21:23

You’re absolutely right. In his mind there is no conflict.

I did not grow up with a lot of money and hate the idea of money allowing a person to be lazy and skip out on their domestic responsibilities however maybe there is something to what you are saying. If I got up tomorrow and said I want our laundry out sourced and you’re paying he wouldn’t bat an eyelid and would happily pay. If I said I want a child minder to free up time for myself he would pay for that and the beauticians. Maybe I need to accept the “out sourcing”. My fear would be that would actually make him more lazy&it doesn’t really solve the problem of the coffee cups lying around or the milk left out. It’s those endless small things I find most demoralising.

OP - it isn't "lazy". People who hate tidying REALLY hate it. Get no satisfaction from it. Wouldn't care if it didn't happen. It is a total imposition to expect it.

ForestGoblin · 23/07/2023 22:31

NoSquirrels · 23/07/2023 20:43

Anyway point is I don't think it's objectively bad to refuse to spend time on housework, but it IS objectively bad to expect someone else to do it and know you're making them upset.

I agree. It’s the same as ‘doesn’t see mess’ - anyone can learn. It’s the not prioritising someone else’s feelings on it that’s the issue.

No, some people really can't stand tidying. What i meant is he needs to recognise the impact of his choices are and either offer solutions or agree to split.

Mirabai · 23/07/2023 22:31

Why should OP have to fork out because her DH is lazy? This is such a dereliction of basic principles of partnership. It’s not something that can be fixed by throwing money at it.

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