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Will DH ever change? How can I get through to him?

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NewMomma21 · 23/07/2023 20:14

Looking for advice.

Married to DH for 4 years. We have an 18 month old and I’m almost 30 weeks pregnant. DH has a stressful job; he earns a very good salary and works long hours and travels abroad frequently. He is a good provider and great fun socially.

I would have considered myself happily married but recently I am becoming increasingly resentful of DH. Although he provides financially he does nothing to keep the house running. He doesn’t ever put a wash on. He lets the bins run to overflowing. He does absolutely no cleaning or cooking and frequently will leave a mess behind him whenever he is in the house. Often leaves clothes/towels on the floor. I have to ask multiple, multiple times over the course of days to do things I am physically unable to do (for example lifting heavy loads of washing, emptying bins, quick tidy of the garden). I am left to do everything around the house. Although I work FT I am off for the summer, it doesn’t matter if I’m in work or not he still contributes nothing. On the weekends he often plays golf for one day. On the days he is home and off when LO naps he more or often than not gets into bed for two hours for a nap or scroll on his phone. This is time during the day I use to do a tidy, load of washing, hoover etc.

Recently he was away for over a week (longest trip since covid) and it was just me and LO. Life was much easier. There was no mess to clean up. The house was clean and tidy. No picking up his clothes and litter. I found the extent to which it was easier shocking.

I have tried so many times to ask him for help. Begged. Nagged. Gotten angry, gotten upset. Nothing ever gets through to him. He just doesn’t seem to care. I feel increasingly like I am mother to a toddler and messy, selfish teenager.

Has anyone any advice? I don’t know how else to get through to him

YABU- he contributes financially and he is unlikely to ever change
YANBU- he needs to start pulling his weight

OP posts:
BMrs · 25/07/2023 08:53

OP that's really unfair. Similar situation here as in husband works very long hours so he ain't here much to share the load but he encouraged me to hire a weekly cleaner and I work part time so I'm happy to take the bulk.

Does he help with your child at all? I find I don't get resentment because I have time to do the housework, he isn't messy thankfully and he does what he can when he can. Always does bath and bed time when he's home, is in charge of school runs and swimming lessons one day each week etc.

Unfortunately I don't think your DH will change. Can you get some help in, cleaner, ironing etc?

BanditsOnTheHorizon · 25/07/2023 08:53

There's a huge difference between looking after yourself and a dc and another adult who refuses to do his fair share. Yes, cooking for 3 is the same as cooking for 2, and no, you don't have to do anything for him, but you do have to pick up his dirty pants off the floor if they are in the middle of the bathroom, and wipe down the side after he's made himself a sandwich, and make sure the buildings and contents is insured, and get up in the night for dd etc etc. it's all well and good him saying 'well don't do it' but I'm sure he'd not be saying that if he crashed the car and it wasn't insured, or he came down with food poisoning because he ate gone off food.

Sometimes it's learnt behaviour, other times it's selfishness, but ultimately it shows a complete lack of respect and care about the other person. If you genuinely cared and loved someone, surely you'd want to improve their lives, especially if they've told you how it's making them feel.

Gettingbysomehow · 25/07/2023 08:53

He needs to sort himself out. Both my marriages failed because I refused to be a house maid to some bloke. How you do that I don't know sorry. Maybe counselling and tell him does he realise how close to divorce you are.

TheCatterall · 25/07/2023 08:47

@NewMomma21 so what do you want to do about it.

tell him you just don’t see him as an engaged and loving life partner anymore. You want couples counselling to see if this can be saved.

what would he do. Would he be shocked. Would he agree.

if he won’t agree to seek help to make you a stronger family unit. And won’t step up at home - personally I’d rather be on my own and not have an unreliable man child around.

NewMomma21 · 25/07/2023 08:42

I’ve had this conversation so many times. I sat him down last week and said I don’t want to argue, I’m not going to raise my voice but you need to listen to what I’m saying, you need to do more. I’m doing x,y,z. I’m 7 months pregnant and my workload has not changed. I am up during the night with DC while you get a full nights sleep every night and I have to continue to entertain DC and do every single domestic task the next day. He said he would do better and “help” while on annual leave.

He came home on Friday night, helped himself to all the bread and cheese in the house leaving nothing for DC lunch the following day. I then came home to find him sound asleep on Saturday afternoon, having done absolutely nothing around the house.

Nothing I say makes a difference

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CarolynKnappShappy · 25/07/2023 08:15

Ban him from the main bathroom and use it with your child. Everything he leaves out - black sack up and throw it in his office and shut the door.
insist that communal areas kitchen and lounge and bedroom are kept clean and tidy - or you will divorce and show him that article.

general job - create a list he picks one you pick one eg mow the lawn and he must do them before he plays on the weekend.

maddening · 25/07/2023 08:09

NewMomma21 · 23/07/2023 21:23

You’re absolutely right. In his mind there is no conflict.

I did not grow up with a lot of money and hate the idea of money allowing a person to be lazy and skip out on their domestic responsibilities however maybe there is something to what you are saying. If I got up tomorrow and said I want our laundry out sourced and you’re paying he wouldn’t bat an eyelid and would happily pay. If I said I want a child minder to free up time for myself he would pay for that and the beauticians. Maybe I need to accept the “out sourcing”. My fear would be that would actually make him more lazy&it doesn’t really solve the problem of the coffee cups lying around or the milk left out. It’s those endless small things I find most demoralising.

I would outsource loads if I were you, if you see the outsourcing as his contribution then the little stuff might not matter. So outsource the cleaning, laundry and gardening and a day of childcare and see how you feel after that.

BibbleandSqwauk · 25/07/2023 08:09

Well maybe this weekend away is a chance to change the conversation from "you should be doing x,y,z" to "why would I want to go away and be romantic with someone who tells me 50 times a week they have no respect for me and don't care about me"? And then wait for an answer. He could (arguably) use the whole "but I don't care about mess thing" up to a point but a) not for dangerous things like the bath water b) not for lifting heavy things for his pregnant wife and generally making her life easier c) not doing the most basic adulting to keep his wife and child's living space habitable. Be very calm and specific. Write it down. Ask him how long he expects you to tolerate a,b and c. Ask him what he thinks his life would look like if you left ? Bearing in mind you'd not be able to leave young children in his care if it's squalid and dangerous? This is well beyond "nagging" about wet towels or the dishwasher.

NewMomma21 · 25/07/2023 08:02

To answer a couple of questions. He didn’t care about dinner, he was in the office came home after DC went to bed and just made some toast for himself.

He is adamant that he expects me to do nothing for him or around the house. When I say things are too much I can’t continue to do everything he will always say don’t bother cooking for me, just sort yourself and DC. Hd says this knowing cooking for 2 is the same as cooking for 3 so it’s a misnomer.

I would firmly agree a cleaner will not fix this. He would need someone following him around at all times wiping up his various spills and messes. I also agree his job is about him and not me or DC.

Im torn between thinking it is contempt for me and a subconscious expectation that I do everything and he genuinely doesn’t care if he lives in filth and mess. If the house was a tip with piled high dishes, unhoovered floors, things everywhere he genuinely would not care. But then I feel because it matters to me it should matter to him.

We have a long awaited night away planned for next week, I just want to cancel it now. I haven’t spoken to him since I came home to find him lazing around in bed again on Saturday. I just feel so sad and can’t face pretending to be a happy couple

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SwordToFlamethrower · 25/07/2023 00:09

Hiring a cleaner won't help you to respect him or turn you on.

You'll still have the ick.

The solution isn't a cleaner and you know it.

Over40Overdating · 24/07/2023 23:47

The problem isn’t his laziness though @NewMomma21 it’s the contempt he has for you.
He can throw money at cleaners & laundry but he will still think it’s your place to be the house skivvy, making sure Billy big bollocks never has to actually parent or be a partner.

He’s happy for a 30 week pregnant woman to do heavy lifting for his benefit. That’s contempt.

He won’t even lift his hand to pull the plug in a bath or put a shit filled nappy in a bin. That’s not being blind to mess, that’s him telling you, very explicitly, that it’s your job to clean the shit he leaves behind him. Contempt.

You said yourself life was easier without him - why live in this misery & resentment forever?

Pixiedust1234 · 24/07/2023 23:41

None of the above has given me any satisfaction, if anything I feel sad that this is where I am, resorting to petty rebellions.

I partly agree. It's one thing not to do his washing, or dump all his rubbish/mess into a basket so he can sort out later and place it on his side of the bed but it seems very petty not to cook dinner imo. Perhaps you can meet half way and continue with the food...or was that an area of contention too?

pikkumyy77 · 24/07/2023 23:25

OP your “rebellion” is an attempt to use acts where words have failed. It makes sense but your dh is unlikely to respond well—he wants to win the battle not join your team.

NoSquirrels · 24/07/2023 22:51

BibbleandSqwauk · 24/07/2023 17:22

I would also add that him earning a large salary is a red herring. He's not doing it for you is he? If you left he wouldn't think "oh I only need to earn X now so I'll go part time or become a retail worker instead". The high status job and prestige / travel etc is for HIM. Yes, you tangentially benefit but you're not a SAHM, you also work FT plus all the domestic stuff. If you do attempt a conversation with him, do t let him off the hook with this "but I earn £££". It's really irrelevant and does not offset his laziness.

An excellent point.

Nanny0gg · 24/07/2023 22:37

Did he say anything about the lack of dinner?

NewMomma21 · 24/07/2023 22:02

ClairDeLaLune · 24/07/2023 21:36

To add, I would ask him why he expects you to clean up after him. Why he thinks he’s so much more important. Eeuggh he’s gross.

He will always say I don’t expect you to do anything for me, I don’t ask you to clean up after me you just do it. When I ask why he doesn’t contribute to anything he will often use what I suppose is weaponised incompetence and say why would I bother doing it when it’s never done right or to your standard. He is referring to jamming the dishwasher full of things that can’t go in it/pots still covered in food that requires redoing or putting washing on a clothes horse with everything piled on top of everything else such that everything stays damp and never dries and also requires rearranging.

Today I moved his dirty clothes to one basket and he can take care of them from here. I washed only my & DCs things. I didn’t make him dinner and heard him checking the oxen for food after he arrived home from work. None of the above has given me any satisfaction, if anything I feel sad that this is where I am, resorting to petty rebellions.

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ClairDeLaLune · 24/07/2023 21:36

To add, I would ask him why he expects you to clean up after him. Why he thinks he’s so much more important. Eeuggh he’s gross.

ClairDeLaLune · 24/07/2023 21:35

Oh OP that sounds so awful. I couldn’t live like that. It’s not just the mess, it’s the complete lack of consideration, care or respect for you. It would be ultimatum time I’m afraid. Shape up or ship out. And mean it.

You said yourself that life was easier without him. The bath thing was dangerous and the nappy thing disgusting. He sees you as lesser than him, as a slave. Is that love? I think not. Sorry OP.

BibbleandSqwauk · 24/07/2023 17:22

I would also add that him earning a large salary is a red herring. He's not doing it for you is he? If you left he wouldn't think "oh I only need to earn X now so I'll go part time or become a retail worker instead". The high status job and prestige / travel etc is for HIM. Yes, you tangentially benefit but you're not a SAHM, you also work FT plus all the domestic stuff. If you do attempt a conversation with him, do t let him off the hook with this "but I earn £££". It's really irrelevant and does not offset his laziness.

pikkumyy77 · 24/07/2023 16:07

The failure to drain the bath or dispose of the nappies would have been IT for me. The end. One is a danger to a toddler and the other is just disgustingly rude.

Tulpenkavalier · 24/07/2023 15:56

I realise now that he will probably never change and I feel sad for my future as it dawns on me that this is going to be my life.

It needn't be. Earlier you described how lovely it was for you and your child when he was away for a week. It could be like that 365 days a year.

He may think you can solve all problems with money, but you can't solve his attitude - he seems to think that he doesn't have to pick up after himself

He will not change. This is who and how he is. A lazy pig of a man.

The only thing that might work is to make sure his laziness has a negative impact on his life

agreed.... but how?

Start taking all his crap and piling it up in his office. Repeat until he gets the message.

Okay....... but why bother? Why spend the rest of your life with someone who doesn't respect you and basically doesn't give a crap that you are on your knees and at the end of your rope?

You are weeks away from giving birth to his child - and he simply doesn't care!!!

Tomselleckhaskindeyes · 24/07/2023 15:34

my husband was like this until i got ill. He’s had to step up and he’s brilliant. It’s a shame i had to be ill for him to do it. Do you think you need to remove yourself and leave things to your husband for a couple of days?

strawberry2017 · 24/07/2023 15:26

Start taking all his crap and piling it up in his office. Repeat until he gets the message.

ForestGoblin · 24/07/2023 15:02

NeverDropYourMooncup · 24/07/2023 00:05

My mother was neglectful, too.

Once I was too big to be in a cot, it was my fault if I sliced my foot open on something on the floor, fell through glass or in other ways got hurt or sick as a result of her liking the house how it was. Made sense later on when we realised she literally nearly killed my older sister because she had horrendous asthma as a result of animal and dust allergies, but always recovered quickly in hospital (well, other than the time her lung collapsed, anyhow), only to relapse the moment she was discharged. It was incredibly offensive in my other's opinion to be told that she needed to clean the house when she'd far rather be watching TV.

My mum was/is a neat freak. Probably ocd. As a consequence I associate all cleaning with suffering and stress. And I struggle to be around her for very long indoors.

ForestGoblin · 24/07/2023 15:00

NoSquirrels · 23/07/2023 22:56

Pfft. I “hate tidying” but it’s not like it’s a phobia. I’m not excused because I “hate it”.

I don’t agree it’s generally a split up/live alone issue for most adults. It’s a learn to be a bit more considerate issue.

You’re clearly lucky your life partner shares your standards exactly. But for most adult partnerships there’s one person a bit more bothered than the other - and that’s where compromise is needed.

I honestly do not believe there are any adults who ‘don’t see mess’. There are plenty who see ‘mess that is not at a threshold I care about’ though.

I can see mess if I switch on awareness but not typically.

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