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To wonder how other people afford to keep their house ‘nice’

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WaspLady · 22/07/2023 09:14

I’m a single parent on low income, I work full time but have nothing left at the end of the month. Don’t buy myself clothes, go out or have any extravagances other than kids hobbies.

I have a housing association house which is absolutely falling to bits, we are expected to be responsible for most repairs ourselves but I don’t know how it’s possible to pay for it, if I owned the house then I guess I might be willing to go not debt/ remortgage to replace the kitchen (currently 18 years old and cabinets and worktops disintegrating rapidly!) and internal doors (I think same age as the house so been there at least 35 years and only one or 2 not had some kind of repair job, several just hanging on by a thread) or have a shower installed (currently only have a bath).

I go into neighbours homes and they have all put in nice kitchens, have had showers installed, replaced a lot of fittings etc, but how can anyone in a low income afford this? Where am I going wrong? I’m embarrassed to have anyone in my house and it makes me so depressed. It doesn’t matter how much I clean, paint and patch things up the house always looks awful 😞

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WaspLady · 22/07/2023 10:45

@Serena73 solid wood doors will last for a long time. Cheap hollow plywood doors will not!

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WaspLady · 22/07/2023 10:43

@S72 in reality it doesn’t work like that, they claim they don’t have the money and there is nothing that can be done. My daughter has extremely poor health and hard to manage asthma which sees her hospitalised in a regular basis, her consultant has written to the HA saying that her health issues are likely caused and exacerbated by substandard housing but they say there is nothing they can do. I hate living here, spend my whole life keeping in top of mould and damp and I know that this house is harming my children as well as my mental health but there is nothing I can do to fight it when the HA refuse to take responsibility. All the money they generate is used to build new houses which are badly needed in this area but we are paying for it with our rent and we see nothing being done to improve the conditions we live in.

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YourWinter · 22/07/2023 10:39

I hear you OP, it’s miserable.

I’m lucky enough to own my house mortgage free, kept it after divorce, and it was an insane mistake because I’ve never been able to afford to maintain it. I’ve been here 30+ years but it’s non standard construction and not mortgageable now, so I could only sell it to a cash buyer. The solid oak kitchen and primrose bathrooms were done in the early 1980s, with wood veneer doors and aluminium windows. The brown Marley tiled kitchen floor is much older. The carpets are all over 30 years old.

I go to other houses and they’re all sparkling white gloss kitchens with white marble floors, spotless and immaculate, and here, no amount of scrubbing or product cleans the grubby grout or dull taps or clouded window panes. I’m late 60s and will never move, but this is the horrible dump that my AC will have to sell for peanuts to someone who’ll knock it down. Life, eh?

Serena73 · 22/07/2023 10:38

I think painting makes the biggest difference and does not cost too much. You could test a tiny section of the 80s wallpaper to see what it's like underneath? Doors should last longer than 35 years, I think mine are more like 100 years - someone you know can probably repair them, my neighbour rehung mine for me when it fell off and it's been fine since. If you can learn how to grout, that can transform a bathroom without much cost. Doesn't help the shower situation but can you get one of those taps with a shower head attached?

PonyPatter44 · 22/07/2023 10:36

Is it feasible to become an actual pain in the arse to your HA, and keep on and on at them to do the safety repairs, ask for a time frame for kitchen / bathroom replacement, etc?

I would also approach Shelter and your local councillors or MP about the damp and heating issues.

S72 · 22/07/2023 10:34

Contact the housing association. Many of them allow you to install a new kitchen as long as you obtain written permission.

Other than that, replacement kitchens, bathrooms etc are usually done by the HA as part of a programme of planned repairs. You can contact the HA and discuss the situation. Ask them to check with their investment teams to find out when the kitchen and bathroom are due to be replaced.

Your tenancy agreement will state that you are responsible for the internals, however if there are any repairs that are outstanding that are a health and safety issue, raise a repair request.

Look on the HA website and find its repair policy. It will tell you what repairs it is responsible for, how to raise a repair request and the timescales it which it needs to action the repair. If the HA doesn't follow its policy, then go through the complaints process. If still unresolved, refer to the Housing Ombudsman for free.

CattyCattle · 22/07/2023 10:33

I think you should speak to shelter about all of this OP and get some legal advice as it doesn't sound right what they're telling you.

They do have a duty towards keeping the house in a good state of repair and it seems they are failing it.

Dotcheck · 22/07/2023 10:32

Look up renter friendly fixes on YouTube.
You can paint your cabinets ( prep well and use Frenchic paint. One tin goes a long way)

You can cover countertops with sticky back plastic. I did that to buy me time while I’ve decided what to do with them, but they look great and have lasted two years.

There are stick on backsplashes which actually look good. If you don’t mind the tiles, just regrout.

WaspLady · 22/07/2023 10:32

@MrsMoastyToasty I think that’s it’s reasonable to expect a good quality kitchen to stretch ti 25 years at a push but the HA ones are understandably very low quality, cheapest material etc so they don’t have the same life expectancy as one you might buy for yourself!

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GillianMcQueef · 22/07/2023 10:31

Dontcallmescarface · 22/07/2023 10:28

I'm currently driving a '23 plate Mazda and "swanning of" to Australia next week so shove that up your judgmental arse.

Full disclosure...it's a replacement car whilst my old banger is in the garage and my trip is to attend my sibling's wedding that was postponed in 2020.

HOW DARE YOU HAVE A LIFE WHILE LIVING IN SOCIAL HOUSING!!!!!!!1!1!1!!!

Seriously some of the attitudes on MN. If you live in SH and improve your lot you're all sorts of CF but if you live in SH and need to claim benefits you're a scrounging n'er do well.

GillianMcQueef · 22/07/2023 10:28

HommeSweetHomme · 22/07/2023 10:24

My mum lives in a HA property and she bought some of that fablon stuff from B&M and totally recovered her worktops and the cupboard doors and she used tile paint and bought a few little things like a new blind and little things to display on the windowsill and worktops and she did a massive de-clutter - it looked like a totally new kitchen and the fablon and paint was cheap.
She'd literally just pick things up as and when and did it when she'd got all the stuff together.

I'm using a similar strategy to do my sitting room - will finally be able to do it all in 2 weeks and can't wait after over a year of HATING my sitting room.

Recovering kitchen units/painting tiles isn't usually permitted by SH LLs, particularly if it's likely to damage the units/worktops/tiles when removed. Ours doesn't allow it. OP best to check with your LL before you make any changes.

Dontcallmescarface · 22/07/2023 10:28

SchoolShenanigans · 22/07/2023 09:50

From those I know living in housing association or council houses, many are no longer on low incomes. They meet a partner who earns well, either don't declare he lives there or he doesn't declare all of his earnings, and they use the extra income for stuff like that (or in some friends situations, swanning off on expensive holidays or leasing flashy cars).

I'm currently driving a '23 plate Mazda and "swanning of" to Australia next week so shove that up your judgmental arse.

Full disclosure...it's a replacement car whilst my old banger is in the garage and my trip is to attend my sibling's wedding that was postponed in 2020.

MrsMoastyToasty · 22/07/2023 10:26

Ring your housing association and find out when the next round of programmed refits of kitchens and bathrooms will be in your area.
I privately own and have had one new kitchen in nearly 25 years (i lived with the old one for 5 years before that). My friend who moved into a new build around the same time is on her 3rd kitchen as when he housing association decides its on its list to be done, it gets done whether it needs it or not.

WaspLady · 22/07/2023 10:24

@GillianMcQueef the HA only has responsibility for the back yard fences. Front fences were never provided but the garden goes straight into road so not safe for young children without a fence. If it’s a poor standard they can make me remove it and probably would in the case of the pallet fence!

@linelgreen they know and say they have no money to carry out replacements. The house are recognised as ‘substandard’ because of lack of proper heating and damp issues. Kitchens, internal doors and heaters are currently only being replaced between tenants so if I moved out the next tenants would get them replaced but because I’ve lived here for 15 years and won’t be moving any time soon I will probably never come to the top of the priority list!

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HommeSweetHomme · 22/07/2023 10:24

My mum lives in a HA property and she bought some of that fablon stuff from B&M and totally recovered her worktops and the cupboard doors and she used tile paint and bought a few little things like a new blind and little things to display on the windowsill and worktops and she did a massive de-clutter - it looked like a totally new kitchen and the fablon and paint was cheap.
She'd literally just pick things up as and when and did it when she'd got all the stuff together.

I'm using a similar strategy to do my sitting room - will finally be able to do it all in 2 weeks and can't wait after over a year of HATING my sitting room.

Dontcallmescarface · 22/07/2023 10:21

I suppose different HA's have different rules. Mine fitted a new kitchen and bathroom around 12 years ago and will refit in about 3 years time (they refit every 15 years).

vodkaredbullgirl · 22/07/2023 10:19

HA will not repair things you have done yourself.

vodkaredbullgirl · 22/07/2023 10:18

SchoolShenanigans · 22/07/2023 09:50

From those I know living in housing association or council houses, many are no longer on low incomes. They meet a partner who earns well, either don't declare he lives there or he doesn't declare all of his earnings, and they use the extra income for stuff like that (or in some friends situations, swanning off on expensive holidays or leasing flashy cars).

lovely🙄

Good job we not all like that.

bunchofboys · 22/07/2023 10:17

I knew this would be HA. Worst landlords ever.

GillianMcQueef · 22/07/2023 10:16

SchoolShenanigans · 22/07/2023 09:50

From those I know living in housing association or council houses, many are no longer on low incomes. They meet a partner who earns well, either don't declare he lives there or he doesn't declare all of his earnings, and they use the extra income for stuff like that (or in some friends situations, swanning off on expensive holidays or leasing flashy cars).

What an incredibly nasty post.

Just because you know people like this (and I'm sceptical tbh - do your friends share all their financial information with you?) doesn't mean that this is the norm. If you want anecdotal evidence, nobody on my small estate does this. Several have progressed in their jobs since moving in and are now on relatively respectable incomes - do you have an issue with this, or do you think that everyone in SH should remain on low incomes/benefits forever?

Also, if you talk about your friends like this, I think it's safe to say they're not your friends. People tend to like and respect their friends, and you clearly don't.

GillianMcQueef · 22/07/2023 10:10

Repairs are absolutely NOT your responsibility, OP. In fact if you attempt them the HA may penalise you - for example, charging you for works to be re-done to their standard when you move out. And you can't usually install a bathroom or kitchen of your own in social housing. Your fence is absolutely the responsibility of your LL. This will all be in your tenancy agreement.

linelgreen · 22/07/2023 10:06

If its a rented property then why not make a list of all the jobs that need doing that you consider to be landlord responsibility e.g kitchen replacement and put this in writing to the HA stating that the current standard of fixtures is unacceptable. If you get no response then try your local council housing team they can sometimes assist.

WaspLady · 22/07/2023 10:03

@ZeldaWillTellYourFortune because I made it out of bits of pallet and it looks absolutely horrible. I’m sure if my neighbours were mumsnetters there would have been an AIBU abiut my fence ruining the whole street 😂

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SchoolShenanigans · 22/07/2023 09:50

From those I know living in housing association or council houses, many are no longer on low incomes. They meet a partner who earns well, either don't declare he lives there or he doesn't declare all of his earnings, and they use the extra income for stuff like that (or in some friends situations, swanning off on expensive holidays or leasing flashy cars).

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 22/07/2023 09:49

WaspLady · 22/07/2023 09:43

@summer3219 yes I get some UC as well but I have 3 kids. I’m not sure how anyone could pay for a joiner or similar if they are on a low income though. I’ve been saving up to get my garden fence replaced as the one I put up has fallen down and it’s taken me nearly a year to have have the amount I was quoted. I expect the price will have gone up significantly since then too.

How long ago did you put up the fence? Why can't the fallen one be repaired?