WTF won't Labour, Lib Dems (& potentially the Greens) endorse tactical voting?

Those people voting Labour would need it in their manifesto

That’s why it’s a referendum after the GE as both parties won’t commit beforehand.

It’s a major issue and would require democratic votes in support to go ahead

I'd be surprised if the Lib Dems don't have it in their manifesto.

I agree - my vote is wasted every time because I live in a Labour stronghold with the most misogynistic MP and no other fucker stands a chance. I've taken to voting for shits and giggles - I voted Green in the last GE and NOTA (obviously spoiled my ballot) in the local council elections because there wasn't an Independent candidate and because not one of the candidates gives a flying fuck about our area & couldn't even be bothered to canvass for my vote. I detest all political parties and their ideologies. In other words I'm joining people in the politically homeless camp.

Should add I want rid of the Tories too. We need another alternative. I am politically homeless.

And me. Anyone who gives a shit about women's rights shouldn't be in a rush to see the current Labour Party in power.

How do you feel about the left taking the SNP approach?

That is horrific

Thrilled to have non Tory MP now in Somerton and Frome. Especially as our last MP (Warburton, Tory) did literally nothing except sniff coke, grope women without permission, hide in psychiatric units and claim expenses.

Sad that nearly half the electorate didn’t vote though, I realise many people feel politically homeless right now (myself included but I held my nose and voted tactically), but I would have thought the turnout would be better in light of the absolute shit show that is the Tory government.

Hmm at Penny Mordaunt cropping up again. Some were convinced she would win last leadership campaign. They were wrong.

I don’t think tactical voting will always go
the “right” way. On high level principles I’m much more aligned with Conservatives values than Labour values. If my preferred option wasn’t available, I’d vote Conservative. And so my vote to say, Lib Dem, might help Labour’s cause - so they won’t want me to tactical vote.

I think the electorate should do their research on who they want to win/lose and vote tactically if they so choose. If people aren’t educated or savvy enough to do that, then they should still be able to vote for who they want to win (and I’m not sure parties supporting tactical voting will really help in that case).

Tactical voting also truly gives us a two party system. I know we have that already but the LibDemCon coalition was us on the verge of breaking away from that - and we might do that again this time with (as I see it) no truly favourable party to vote for.

You mean the same Tories who have been in power since the beginning of the trans debate? The same Tories who have failed to do anything to address concerns raised? The same Tories who's policies in general disproportionately impact women? The same Tories who have members aligned to NatCon ideologies and think women should only play a supporting role to their "man" in life.

Yes, voting to keep the tories in power is a great way to help women, in the same way hacking you leg off above the knee is great way to stop a stubbed toe from hurting.

How will they have mandate for that if it’s not an election pledge?

There's a realistic chance Penny Mordaunt will be leading the Tories into the next GE, and she isn't even one of the ones who knows what a woman is. Any of my fellow GC feminists who think the Tories can be trusted on this issue are kidding themselves.

Re the gender debate: let's face it, the reason Tories want to be quite clear who is a woman is so they know who and how to oppress them more effectively.

Totally agree with @Anniegetyourgun on this point.

The abysmal rape conviction rates alone just blow my mind.

I reluctantly voted against the PR proposal at the time. I believe the system should be reformed, but that one was a complete non-runner.

Re the gender debate: let's face it, the reason Tories want to be quite clear who is a woman is so they know who and how to oppress them more effectively.

We've definitely seen more marginal voting in the byelections and council elections recently. But then there was kind of a dearth of it at the 2019 GE- the Tories ended up with a lot of seats where the combined left of centre vote was higher than theirs. So maybe it's a pendulum swinging back thing.

Angela Rayner has said on tactical voting that the electorate aren't stupid.

Both Labour and the Lib Dems throw money at the seats they are most likely to win.

In my area, which is a marginal constituency, people tactically vote.

No, I mean a coalition government passing legislation to change our electoral system. I don't think they'll do it for a referendum again. They very much got the worst of that deal last time.

I will never forgive Nick Clegg for that stupid AV referendum, he should have left it alone instead of wasting the opportunity on such a weak proposal.

On electoral reform and tactical voting, the AV referendum denied us a step in the right direction.

Referendum to switch do you mean?

@Runningslow I don't doubt for one second that people are affected by the lack of action on gender identity. However I believe that more women will be harmed by a continuing Tory government, especially as with a failed justice system offences towards women such as DV or rape have an almost nil chance of ending in a conviction.

Those Lib Dem voters are probably Tory voters though rather than labour. You can’t be sure tactical voting will get you the result you want and could do the opposite!

Because most voters dislike it, it will be weaponised by Tories to say they are trying to stitch things up.

If the Lib Dems do end up in coalition with Labour, which is a possibility, I don't think they'll do it for any less than a switch to PR.