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WTF won't Labour, Lib Dems (& potentially the Greens) endorse tactical voting?

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Pipsquiggle · 21/07/2023 11:21

This is obviously prompted by the by election result in Uxbridge. If there was no Lib Dem candidate, Labour could have won that seat (assuming their votes went to Labour).

I'll make no bones about it. I really dislike the Tories and want them out ASAP. Their policies have embedded generational poverty in so many parts of the UK. I reside in the home counties, a Tory stronghold seat - my middle class neighbours have zero clue how hard it is to grow up in a poor part of the country and thrive.

I want Labour to win a huge majority with other left leaning parties also getting seats. I would love electoral reform - PR and mandatory voting. The first past the post system is just shit and doesn't represent how the country voted.

YABU - Political parties should not endorse tactical voting, it's fine as it is

YANBU - Tactical voting should be encouraged as the FPTP voting system is shit

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HannibalHeyes · 21/07/2023 23:50

When you think about it, Uxbridge voted for the party that came up with ULEZ in protest against ULEZ...

Boomboom22 · 21/07/2023 23:32

Suzi boniface talking such nonsense on sky papers, joker. Thinks we can give ptsd support to people on barges when camhs can't even see kids for years. So silly. No grasp of reality just ideology.

Boomboom22 · 21/07/2023 23:16

Really? So women can wait? Just let their human rights to dignity, sport, equality fall by the wayside for men to have good sexual feelings? Unbelievable that so many posters would vote labour with these ideas, Lisa nandy anyone?

Nat6999 · 21/07/2023 22:57

Beaucherche · 21/07/2023 13:11

This issue just isn't that important compared to others. No reason to keep Tories in

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There are bigger more urgent issues than what is a woman, the economy, NHS, education, the cost of living, housing, to say just a few. If Labour can start to address those in their first term, then the country would be in better shape & things like gender issues can come later.

Nat6999 · 21/07/2023 22:47

Parties do endorse tactical voting of a kind, they only endorse seats they want to win by having target wards where they pay for leaflets & allow candidates to go door to door, in none target wards candidates can only canvas by doing social media.

SmartHome · 21/07/2023 22:34

Blossomtoes · 21/07/2023 22:13

And you think voting Tory is the answer? Not going well so far is it?

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I wouldn't vote Tory if you paid me. never have, never will. If I vote at all, it will be for a party that has the balls to come out and acknowledge that humans can't change sex, preventing children from going through puberty is abuse and that women and girls need protected single sex prisons, shelters and sports.

Hannahsbananas · 21/07/2023 22:28

Blossomtoes · 21/07/2023 22:25

I think she was talking to GC posters like @Runningslow.

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I’m a GC poster, and her post appeared to be addressed to me too.

Blossomtoes · 21/07/2023 22:25

Hannahsbananas · 21/07/2023 22:24

Yes, that’s exactly what I said.
Verbatim.
Jesus 🙄
If I had comprehension skills like yours, I wouldn’t be arguing on the Internet.

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I think she was talking to GC posters like @Runningslow.

Hannahsbananas · 21/07/2023 22:24

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Yes, that’s exactly what I said.
Verbatim.
Jesus 🙄
If I had comprehension skills like yours, I wouldn’t be arguing on the Internet.

Moneynewpence · 21/07/2023 22:22

Pipsquiggle · 21/07/2023 22:19

@SmartHome
I do get that gender ideology is a big deal to some people.

I do think women's rights are vital and fundamental to our society, however, I would want the following tackled first:
High quality and affordable childcare
6 months Paternity leave as standard
Girls the same proportion as boys studying STEM
Exclusion zones outside abortion clinics
Wage parity for women and men
Rape prosecutions to increase from their woeful state
DV to decrease ....

There are many others before I get to gender ideology semantics

You are talking to people in a state of such irrational fear that they don't want to think about any of that. The very definition of a phobia.

Moneynewpence · 21/07/2023 22:21

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Pipsquiggle · 21/07/2023 22:19

@SmartHome
I do get that gender ideology is a big deal to some people.

I do think women's rights are vital and fundamental to our society, however, I would want the following tackled first:
High quality and affordable childcare
6 months Paternity leave as standard
Girls the same proportion as boys studying STEM
Exclusion zones outside abortion clinics
Wage parity for women and men
Rape prosecutions to increase from their woeful state
DV to decrease ....

There are many others before I get to gender ideology semantics

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Blossomtoes · 21/07/2023 22:13

SmartHome · 21/07/2023 21:48

You just can't take it that women's rights is a big issue for many female voters can you? I am a woman as are 51% of the country and I'm sick of being treated like shit, so you're damn right I'm voting on this issue.

And you think voting Tory is the answer? Not going well so far is it?

SmartHome · 21/07/2023 21:48

You just can't take it that women's rights is a big issue for many female voters can you? I am a woman as are 51% of the country and I'm sick of being treated like shit, so you're damn right I'm voting on this issue.

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Pipsquiggle · 21/07/2023 21:34

MrKenTuckey · 21/07/2023 20:58

Literally any time there is a discussion on Labour/ conservatives on here someone chimes in with ‘least the Conservatives know what a woman is’ 🥱
Everything else is falling apart around us, but yes, let’s make the vote about gender ideology.

@MrKenTuckey
Completely agree

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SunnyEgg · 21/07/2023 21:22

The one thing I’ve noticed about shill posters that is they don’t like hearing reasons for their party losing

They can’t debate it so go for the insults

Lame but predictable

SunnyEgg · 21/07/2023 21:19

HannibalHeyes · 21/07/2023 21:18

None of that actually makes any sense.

Stop shilling and nobody will call you a shill.

I'm not a big fan of Labour, as if you're interested, but I'll support them as necessary to get rid of these criminals destroying our country.

I'll leave you to get the last word in, I can tell you're the type!

Oh god give it up.

You want Labour to win

So what?

I don’t agree with you.

HannibalHeyes · 21/07/2023 21:18

None of that actually makes any sense.

Stop shilling and nobody will call you a shill.

I'm not a big fan of Labour, as if you're interested, but I'll support them as necessary to get rid of these criminals destroying our country.

I'll leave you to get the last word in, I can tell you're the type!

SunnyEgg · 21/07/2023 21:18

HannibalHeyes · 21/07/2023 21:13

Your precious Tory party has removed people's right to protest, people's right to claim asylum, and they're working on many others.

But, yeah, it's me, some random powerless person in the internet who is removing everyone's rights...

Is Starmer reversing the protest rights?

And what’s the take on asylum from Labour

Vote for them if you want. Don’t use the shill line because you are crap at debating.

Not everyone loves Labour like you do.

SunnyEgg · 21/07/2023 21:15

HannibalHeyes · 21/07/2023 21:11

I'm not criticising any "Women who are concerned about women’s rights being eroded use other language."

I'm calling out someone who I've seen at every opportunity push the Tory party line.

If you don't like it, well the truth hurts...

Again with the insults

Is that all you’ve got, are you a Labour shill?

I doubt you’ll get the results you’re after and will have lost some rights to boot

Bravo got you, but take ownership. I won’t.

HannibalHeyes · 21/07/2023 21:13

Your precious Tory party has removed people's right to protest, people's right to claim asylum, and they're working on many others.

But, yeah, it's me, some random powerless person in the internet who is removing everyone's rights...

SunnyEgg · 21/07/2023 21:12

I’m amazed at how low down women place this issue so all they have is ‘shill’

It’s so weak as a rebuttal

No doubt you’ll be complaining when you see what losing rights means in reality

HannibalHeyes · 21/07/2023 21:11

I'm not criticising any "Women who are concerned about women’s rights being eroded use other language."

I'm calling out someone who I've seen at every opportunity push the Tory party line.

If you don't like it, well the truth hurts...

SunnyEgg · 21/07/2023 21:08

HannibalHeyes · 21/07/2023 21:06

That's literally the opposite of what has happened here.

Tory shill...

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Ha at your lame insult.

Women who are concerned about women’s rights being eroded use other language.

All those posts with emojis and scoffing are from the Labour lot:

I’d call you a Labour shill but who the fuck cares. You seem uniformed and that’s enough.

HannibalHeyes · 21/07/2023 21:06

SunnyEgg · 21/07/2023 21:05

They don’t. It’s the Labour lot that use that line.

Plus Labour will need funding to resolve issues, where is that coming from?

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That's literally the opposite of what has happened here.

Tory shill...